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WILSON LINE - CAN ANYONE HELP

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Rambling

Rambling Report 12 Sep 2017 12:54

That's rather odd though as the only Grace Louisa named on military records was given as age 5 ( in 1914) I can see is this one but not born to Wilson/ Kelly ???

WILSON, GRACE LOUISA ROSINA mm THOMPSON Order
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 637

Rambling

Rambling Report 12 Sep 2017 12:31

These are the army records, which give the detail that this is the same Stephen discharged from the Navy as I mentioned Feb 1910.

British Army Service Records 1914-1920 Transcription

First name(s) Stephen James
Last name Wilson
Age 31
Birth year 1883
Birth town London
Birth county Middlesex
Birth country England
Service number 1459 <<< changed to 2993
Regiment Royal West Kent Regiment
Year 1914
Residence county Middlesex
Residence country England
Series WO 364
Series description Wo 364 - First World War Pension Claims
Archive The National Archives
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War


Images give wife Grace, child Grace Louisa, 40 Cedars Road Edmonton

it was recorded that he was "unlikely to become an efficient soldier" and on another entry that he was discharged as "no longer fit for service "

he was " 5 ft 4 and 3/4 inches tall, 127 lbs, fresh complexion, Blue eyes, brown hair."

On his discharge he gave intended place of residence as 2 Cedars Road, Edmonton

safc

safc Report 12 Sep 2017 12:30


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

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First name(s) Stephen
Last name Wilson
Relationship -
Marital status Married
Sex Male
Occupation -
Age 31
Birth year 1880
Birth place Shadwell London
Address Campbellpore India
Parish -
County Overseas Military
Country Ships And Overseas Establishments
Archive reference RG14
Registration district number 641
Enumeration district 21
District number 21
Sub district number 6
Census reference RG14PN34981 RD641 SD6 ED21 SN9999
RG78 code number 0
Piece number 34981
Folio -
Page -
Other household member first name(s) -
Other household member last name -
Record set 1911 Census For England & Wales
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

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Rambling

Rambling Report 12 Sep 2017 12:28

Stephen would not necessarily appear on a census if he was at sea, only if he was in dock in UK at the time? and Grace might have been listed as single in error.

Sadly this is the death of the child WILSON, DOROTHY ELSIE 19 ( months) Order
GRO Reference: 1917 M Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 907

You could buy the birth cert to check whether she was the daughter of Stephen and Grace

safc

safc Report 12 Sep 2017 12:25


Stephen J Wilson on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Wilson Household (5 People) 42 Sweet Briar Grove , Edmonton M.B., Middlesex, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Stephen J Wilson 11 Nov 1882 Male Painter Married 191 1
Grace Wilson 05 Aug 1887 Female Unpaid Dom Duties Married 191 2
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Ivy M Munro 15 Jul 1924 Female Laundry Hand Single 191 4
Grace L Long 01 Mar 1910 Female Invalid Married 191 5

Rambling

Rambling Report 12 Sep 2017 12:24

British Royal Navy Seamen 1899-1924 Transcription
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First name(s) Stephen James
Last name Wilson
Service number 205110
Birth year 1882
Birth date 11 Nov 1882
Birth place Saint Marys
Birth county London
Birth country England
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference ADM 188/357/205110
Record set British Royal Navy Seamen 1899-1924
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Service Records
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

Just putting this one on the offchance, however it does look as though he was possibly discharged Feb 1910 due to "a disease of the ears"

lesley

lesley Report 12 Sep 2017 12:24

TO NYX
BUT IF STEPHEN WAS AT SEA, WOULDNT HE POP UP ON A CENSUS.. PLUS WHY WAS GRACE BACK WITH HER PARENTS AND PUT DOWN AS SINGLE. VERY CONFUSING.
I THOUGHT THE GAP WAS LARGE FROM 1909 TO 1918 BUT PUT IT DOWN TO MISCARRIAGES AND THE WAR..... DIDNT THINK OF OTHER CHILDREN AS THATS ALL I KNEW ABOUT WHEN THE WILSON FAMILY SPOKE ABOUT THEM.. CHEERS HUN.

lesley

lesley Report 12 Sep 2017 12:19

TO NYX.
DOROTHY E KELLY WILSON WAS NOT STEPHEN AND GRACE'S CHILDREN THEY ONLY HAD BEATRICE, DENIS AND IVY..AS FAR AS I'M AWARE. THANK YOU

Rambling

Rambling Report 12 Sep 2017 12:17

I just wondered as there is a big gap between marriage and first child whether Stephen was at sea in the early years of marriage and in 1911.

lesley

lesley Report 12 Sep 2017 12:14

THATS CORRECT. BUT IT'S THE CENSUS THAT ARE THROWING ME. THANK YOU

Rambling

Rambling Report 12 Sep 2017 12:14

Is this also one of the children

Births Sep 1915 (>99%)
WILSON Dorothy E KELLY Edmonton 3a 1127

Dea

Dea Report 12 Sep 2017 12:09

This is the marriage of Stephen + Grace, for reference:

Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
KELLY Grace Edmonton 3a 772
WILSON Stephen James Edmonton 3a 772

Dea x

lesley

lesley Report 12 Sep 2017 12:05

Hi, I've hit a brick wall
STEPHEN JAMES WILSON BORN 1883 DIED 1943 EDMONTON. MARRIED GRACE KELLY 1909 EDMONTON. SHE WAS BORN IN 1888 LAMBETH.
1901 CENSUS HE IS A SEAMAN
1901 HIS PARENTS ARE LIVING IN MALVERN ROAD TOTTENHAM
1911 HIS PARENTS ARE LIVING AT 11 GOODWIN ROAD LOWER EDMONTON
1911 I CANNOT FIND STEPHEN CAN ANYONE HELP

1891 GRACE IS AT CURNICK LANE ST MARY'S NORWOOD SURREY
1901 GRACE IS MISSING CAN ANYONE HELP
1909 THEY MARRY IN EDMONTON
1911 GRACE IS AT 6 ROSE COTTAGE, CURNICK LANE, WEST NORWOOD SURREY. BUT SHE IS LISTED AS SINGLE????????????????????

THEIR CHILDREN - ALL BORN AND MARRIED IN EDMONTON.
BEATRICE C WILSON BORN 1918 MARRIED 1941 TO THOMAS H WINGELL
DENIS ROBERT WILSON BORN 23/3/1921 MARRIED GRACE NELLIE BAKER 1941. (MY LATE IN-LAWS)
IVY MAY WILSON BORN 1924 MARRIED 1941 KENNETH GORDON M MUNRO 1941.
I WOULD BE GRATEFUL FOR ANY HELP.
THANK YOU ALL FOR READING THIS.
LESLEY WILSON