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Hi Phillip,

I have looked at the Military possibility and found nothing - also for a death for John but again nothing seems to show which fits.

I do think it's worth looking for a Scottish marriage if indeed that is him with Ann on 1851 and 1861. You need the 'ScotlandPeople' site which unfortunately requires credits, although I think you can do an initial free search but then pay for any details?

I think that Ann was from Leith in Scotland on one of the census.

Dea x

Dea. Thank you for striving to find the answer. I really don't know where to go from here. I may look at military options/overseas marriages perhaps?? A burial/death for John??

Could be this marriage??

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1839
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BARROW John JOHNSON Ann Manchester Collegiate Church (later Manchester Cathedral) Archives+, Manchester Central Library CATH/9/215

Dea x

EDIT - No It coudn't - his father was 'Jonathan' !! :-(

Dea x

The 1850 death above for an Alice is not the one. That one was a young child.

BARROW, ALICE 0 Order
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in BOLTON UNION Volume 21 Page 69

Dea x

If that is 'your' Joseph on 1841 then he is still at the same address with 'that' Alice on 1851 and he is down as her son:


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Turton Street, Little Bolton, Bolton, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Alice Burrow Head Unmarried Female 63 1788 Formerly Botton Coverer Little Bolton, Lancashire, England
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Joseph Burrow Son Unmarried Male 33 1818 Maker Cotton Twist Little Bolton, Lancashire, England

Dea x

Yes, this could be the same Alice.

I need to make it clear that I have no idea if John did marry or whether he died young or even joined the army.

A brother of his, Ralph appears to be the only one that became a military man, marrying in Bangalore in 1841.

Alice Barrow
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name
Alice Barrow
Event Type
Death
Registration Quarter
Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year
1850
Registration District
Bolton
County
Lancashire
Event Place
Bolton, Lancashire, England
Volume
21
Page
69
Line Number
98

Hi Dea. Joseph and Alice had the children I mentioned.

The Alice aged 50 is not the mother. She was born in 1778. Joseph 20, though, is a brother of John. Alice could well be a sister of the father Joseph.

Can't be Cowperthwaite option as father is Edward in this case.

Looks like the mother Alice was still alive in 1841 ??


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Turton Street, Bolton, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
John Howarth Male 25 1816 Lancashire, England
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Mary Howarth Female 30 1811 Lancashire, England
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Alice Howarth Female 13 1828 Lancashire, England
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James Howarth Male 12 1829 Lancashire, England
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Ellen Howarth Female 10 1831 Lancashire, England
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Betty Howarth Female 1 1840 Lancashire, England
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Alice Barrow Female 50 1791 Lancashire, England - Cotton Doubler
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Joseph Barrow Male 20 1821 Lancashire, England - Twill ? Packer

Dea x

John Barrow
mentioned in the record of John Barrow and Ellen Slater
Name
John Barrow
Birthplace
Of Walton Le Dale
Spouse's Name
Ellen Slater
Spouse's Birthplace
Of Walton Le Dale
Event Date
25 Apr 1842
Event Place
Walton-Le-Dale, Lancashire, England
Father's Name
Joseph Barrow
Spouse's Father's Name
Robert Slater
Marital Status
Single
Spouse's Marital Status
Single

John Barrow
mentioned in the record of John Barrow and Ann Liptrott
Name
John Barrow
Spouse's Name
Ann Liptrott
Event Date
23 Nov 1851
Event Place
Holy Trinity Church, Hull, York, England
Father's Name
Joseph Barrow
Spouse's Father's Name
Alexander ...Farlan

Is this the 1851 you are looking at??


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Castleford, Pontefract, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Barrow Head Married Male 35 1816 Rope Maker Lancashire, England
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Ann Barrow Wife Married Female 42 1809 - Scotland

You will note that Ann is born in Scotland - Have you tried looking for a Scottish marriage?

Dea x

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John Barrow
mentioned in the record of John Barrow and Ellen Slater
Name John Barrow
Birthplace Of Walton Le Dale
Spouse's Name Ellen Slater
Spouse's Birthplace Of Walton Le Dale
Event Date 25 Apr 1842
Event Place Walton-Le-Dale, Lancashire, England
Father's Name Joseph Barrow
Spouse's Father's Name Robert Slater
Marital Status Single
Spouse's Marital Status Single

Marriage: 2 Jan 1848 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England
John Barrow - Full Age, Painter, Bachelor, Friarage
Ann Cowperthwaite - Full Age, Spinster, King Street
Groom's Father: Edward Barrow, Painter
Bride's Father: Joshua Cowperthwaite, Mariner
Witness: William John Whitehead; Elizabeth Lawson
Married by Licence by: Ar.Christopherson Curate
Register: Marriages 1845 - 1849, Page 179, Entry 357
Source: LDS Film 1526201

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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
King Street, Lancaster, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Barrow Head Married Male 36 1815 Painter And Gilder Lancaster, Lancashire, England
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Ann Barrow Wife Married Female 43 1808 - Lancaster, Lancashire, England
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Joseph Cowperthwaite Father In Law Married Male 84 1767 Mariner Lancaster, Lancashire, England
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Margaret Cowperthwaite Mother In Law Married Female 80 1771 - Slyne, Lancashire, England

Just to make a start - Is this 'your' John?

Baptism: 28 May 1815 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
John Barrow - Son of Joseph Barrow & Alice
Abode: Great Bolton
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: J. Brocklebank, Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1815, Page 285, Entry 2276
Source: LDS Family Search

Did they have any children ?

Dea x

Hi.

I have John, son of Joseph and Alice.

Siblings are Samuel, Robert, Benjamin, Ralph, Sarah, Ann, Joseph, James and Betty all born in Bolton.

Am struggling to find a marriage for him.

Parents had passed away by 1841 census so it's a struggle.

1851 census has a John B. with Ann. Seems that he was born in Botton accoding to An****stry although it says Botton, Lancs, not Yorks. Is it him?

Phil

Thank you