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Bull family 1901 onwards??

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Marcus

Marcus Report 7 Oct 2017 07:41

I am trying to find what happened to 3 children of Clara Bull (Nee Smith).

Clara Smith c 1866, Speen, Berkshire, married James Frederick Bull ,1867, Bloomsbury, London.

They had 3 children - James Frederick, 1894, Ilsley, Berks, Edith Susan, 1897 & Francis George, 1897, both born Pewsey, Wilts.

James (Snr) d 1900 and Clara d1901, leaving 3 orphaned children.

Clara is sister to my great grandfather.

I cannot find them 1901 onwards ...!!

Can anyone please help??

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 7 Oct 2017 08:20

Edith in 1911:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ball Pewsey Wiltshire, Pewsey, Wiltshire, England

Young King Head Married Male Retired Plumber 58 1853 Pewsey Wilts
Sarah King Wife Married Female Dress And Mantle Maker 58 1853 Pewsey Wilts
Dora Fanny King Daughter Single Female Dress Maker Etc 23 1888 Pewsey Wilts
William Robert King Son Single Male Accountant Student 17 1894 Pewsey Wilts
Edith Sousan Bull Boarder Single Female School 13 1898 Woodboro Wilts
Edwin Crofts Servant Single Male Farm Labourer Cowman 23 1888 Emmington Somerset
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Francis 1911??

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Oare Pewsey, Wilcot, Wiltshire, England

Caroline Hiscock Head Widow Female None 59 1852 Oare
Francis Bull Boarder - Male School 14 1897 Woodborough
Sidney Head Boarder - Male School 12 1899 Pewsey

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 7 Oct 2017 08:24

Nice photo of James on this record (FMP):

Britain, merchant seamen

First name(s) James Fredk
Last name Bull
Event year 1918
Birth year 1894
Birth place Compton
Birth county/country Berkshire
Birth date 27 Nov 1894
Discharge number 603910
Identity certificate number 428026
Card type CR10
Archive The National Archives
Series BT350
Date range 1918-1921
Record set Britain, Merchant Seamen, 1918-1941

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 7 Oct 2017 08:25

James 1901:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
88, New Church Road, Camberwell, London & Surrey, England

Jane E Wakefield Head Married Female 33 1868 - Suffolk, England
Charles Wakefield Son Single Male 6 1895 - Camberwell, Surrey, England
Edith Wakefield Daughter Single Female 5 1896 - Camberwell, Surrey,
Harry Wakefield Son Single Male 0 1901 - Camberwell, Surrey, England
Isaac Hyams Visitor Married Male 21 1880 General Dealer Brixton, Surrey,
Lucy M Hyams Visitor Married Female 21 1880 - Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Philip Hyams Visitor Single Male 3 1898 - Camberwell, Surrey, England
James F Bull Visitor Single Male 6 1895 - Compton, Berkshire, England

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 7 Oct 2017 08:30

Saw below...

Chris :)

National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Susan Edith
Last name Bull
Birth year 1897
Birth date 02 Sep 1897
Event year 1903
School name Woodborough Church of England School
(of Pewsey Union Workhouse) (left 5/8/04. Back to Workhouse)


(no idea on below)

Deaths Mar 1976 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SAMUEL EDITH SUSAN 2SE1897 SURREY MID E 17 242


Edits (late edit!)

National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Minnis
Last name Bull
Birth year 1893
Birth date 14 Mar 1893
Event year 1899
School name Woodborough Church of England School
Town Woodborough
County Wiltshire
Parent name(s) James Bull
Book type Admissions
(left 27/9/99. Left District)


First name(s) Fred
Last name Bull
Birth year 1894
Birth date
27 Nov 1894
Event year 1899
School name Woodborough Church of England School
Town Woodborough
County Wiltshire
Parent name(s) James Bull
(20/3/00. Left District)

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 7 Oct 2017 08:32

Could this be Edith in 1901- also in Camberwell?

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
94, New Church Road, Camberwell, London & Surrey, England

Robert H C Garrett Head Married Male 26 1875 Duke Of Cambridge Own Impl Yeomanry Lambeth, Surrey,
Susannah R Garrett Wife Married Female 24 1877 - Bloomsbury, Middlesex,
Robert H Garrett Son Single Male 1 1900 - Camberwell, Surrey, England
Jane H Bull Mother-In-Law Married Female 58 1843 Worker In Laundry Devizes, Wiltshire, England
Lizzie M Bull Sister-In-Law Single Female 19 1882 Chocolate Packer Caversham, Berkshire
Edith S Bull Daughter Single Female 3 1898 - Pusey, Wiltshire, England

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 7 Oct 2017 08:38

Possible death for Mum:

Name: Clara Elizabeth Bull
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Registration Year: 1901
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 34
Registration district: Newbury
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 2c Page: 178
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Berkshire Burial Index

First name(s) Clara Elizabeth
Last name Bull
Age 34
Birth year 1867
Residence Speenhamland
Death year 1901
Burial date 27 Mar 1901
Church St Mary the Virgin
Place Speen
County Berkshire

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 7 Oct 2017 08:38

(lol, well just added a possible Death above AQ, Surrey, so could well be)

Chris :)

(although not jumping out 1939, or a Marriage, and must be orf' now, will look in later!)

patchem

patchem Report 7 Oct 2017 08:48

Think Francis was born in 1896 - helps in identification:
Births June quarter 1896
Bull Francis George Pewsey 5a 157

Added:
Possible death?
Deaths Sep 1954
Francis G Bull age 58 Paddington 5d 177

Added:
In Stoke in 1939 with Maude, 2 others, and 2 private?

patchem

patchem Report 7 Oct 2017 08:56

f him in 1939 then:
Marriages Dec 1921
Bettany Maud Bull Stoke T 6b 361
Bull Francis G Bettany Stoke T. 6b 361

4 children born showing on free bmd.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 7 Oct 2017 08:56

Wondered about this for Francis in 1901- meaning all children in Lambeth 1901:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
43, Chancer Road, Lambeth, London & Surrey, England

Thomas H Connorton Head Married Male 28 1873 Groom (Domestic) Chelsea, Middlesex,
Laura M Connorton Wife Married Female 27 1874 - Kensington, Middlesex, England
Robert G Connorton Son - Male 1 1900 - Brixton, Surrey, England
Francis G Bull Adopted Son - Male 4 1897 - Compton, Surrey, England

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 7 Oct 2017 09:23

On Ancestry there appears to be another child registered-

BULL, MINNIE mmn: SMITH
GRO Reference: 1893 J Quarter in WANTAGE Volume 02C Page 312

The registry of birth has her DOB as 16 March 1893 Compton. Record also includes a copy of parent's marriage certificate.
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There is also a registry of birth for James Frederick Bull born 27 November 1897- which fits the seaman's record I posted above.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 7 Oct 2017 09:34

Minnie's baptism:

First name(s) Minnie
Last name Bull
Baptism year 1893
Baptism date 28 May 1893
Place Compton
Church St Mary & St Nicholas
Child's other details [Born] 16 Mar
Relationship daughter of
Father's name James Frederick Bull
Father's occupation Signalman
Mother's name Clara Elizabeth Bull
County Berkshire
--------------------------
James Baptism:

First name(s) James Frederic
Last name Bull
Baptism year 1895
Baptism date 24 Feb 1895
Place Compton
Church St Mary & St Nicholas
Child's other details [Born] 27Nov1894
Relationship son of
Father's name James Frederic Bull
Father's occupation Signalman
Mother's name Clara Elizabeth Bull
County Berkshire

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 7 Oct 2017 09:36

Another child:

First name(s) Alfred White
Last name Bull
Baptism year 1901
Baptism date 02 Jan 1901
Place Speenhamland
Church St Mary
Child's other details [Born] 30Jan1900
Relationship [son of]
Father's name James Frederick Bull
Father's residence 3 Gilder's Square
Father's occupation labourer
Father note [Condition] (deceased)
Mother's name Clara Bull
Additional notes [Officiating Minister] Charles L. JEAYES
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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
7, Oxford Street Gilder Square, Newbury, Berkshire, England

Alfred Swain Head Married Male 53 1848 Bricklayer Egham, Surrey, England
Harriet Swain Wife Married Female 44 1857 - Newbury, Berkshire, England
Charles Swain Son Single Male 22 1879 General Labourer Newbury, Berkshire
Alfred Swain Son Single Male 11 1890 - Newbury, Berkshire, England
Louie Swain Daughter Single Female 9 1892 - Newbury, Berkshire, England
Edith Swain Daughter Single Female 7 1894 - Newbury, Berkshire, England
Rose Swain Daughter Single Female 5 1896 - Newbury, Berkshire, England
Kate Swain Daughter Single Female 1 1900 - Newbury, Berkshire, England
Alfred W Bull Lodger Single Male 1 1900 - Woodborough, Wiltshire, England
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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Dursdens Lane Pewsey, Pewsey, Wiltshire, England

Charles Henry Hoare Head Married Male Dairy Farmer 63 1848 Wilton Wilts
Rose Wakeling Hoare Wife Married Female - 55 1856 Chesterton Cambs
Margaret Eleanor Bream Niece Single Female Domestic Help 23 1888 Bath Somerset
Alfred White Bull Boarder - Male - 11 1900 Newbury Berks
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FMP has nice photo attached:

Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services

Name: Alfred White Bull
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 30 Aug 1900
Birth Place: Pewsey Wilts
First Service Date: 16 Aug 1917
First Ship Served On: Powerful
Last Service Date: 13 Aug 1919
Last Ship Served On: Victory I
Service Number: J76718
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1939:
Bull Household Wandilup Blackmoor Road , Long Ashton R.D., Somerset, England
Alfred W Bull 30 Jan 1900 Male Bearing Shaft Attendant Married
Emmie M J Bull 04 Jul 1901 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Sorry, this record is officially closed.
Victor B Bull 09 May 1926 Male At School Single
Sorry, this record is officially closed.
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Death:
Name: Alfred White Bull
Death Age: 82
Birth Date: 30 Jan 1900
Registration Date: Sep 1982
Registration district: Bristol
Inferred County: Avon
Volume: 22
Page: 0464

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 7 Oct 2017 09:38


Name: Minnie Bull
Age in 1911: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1893
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Newbury, Berkshire, England
Civil Parish: Newbury
Search Photos: Search for 'Newbury' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street address: 27 Craven St, Newbury
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: General Servant Domestic
Registration district: Newbury
Registration District Number: 114
Sub-registration district: Newbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 296
Piece: 6370
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Dopson New 40
Annie New 41
Violet New 12
George New 11
Wilson New 7
Charles New 4
James New 2
Minnie Bull 18

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 7 Oct 2017 11:02

This looks to be James in the US- birth date/ Place matches (one year out):

United States Naturalization Petitions
First name(s) James Frederick Or Fred
Last name Bull Or Riley
Birth year 1895
Birth date 27 Nov 1895
Birth country England
Birth place as transcribed Newbury, Berkshire, England
Event year 1944
Event type Declaration of intention
Event state New York
Event place as transcribed Brooklyn, Kings, NY
Description Final petition and citizenship papers (New York), 1865-1958
Declaration 342875
Certificate 2-1064536
Country United States
Record set United States Naturalization Petitions
Photo included (FMP)
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United States World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
Name James F Bull
Event Type Draft Registration
Event Date 1942
Event Place Brooklyn, Kings, New York, United States
Residence Place Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Gender Male
Employer James F/Bull
Birth Date 27 Nov 1895

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 7 Oct 2017 13:15

In 1901 Edith is living with Robert and Susan Garrett- this is their marriage:

Name: Susannah Mary Bull
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1877
Marriage Date: 12 Sep 1897
Marriage Place: Emmanuel, Camberwell, Southwark, England
Father: James Frederick Bull (coachman)
Spouse: Robert Henry Charles Garrett
Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses: Thomas Henry Connorton & Annie Harriet Garrett
---------------------------

Note that Francis in 1901 was living with the witness Thomas Connorton. This is Thomas' marriage:

Name: Laura Mary Bull
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1874
Marriage Date: 18 Apr 1897
Marriage Place: Emmanuel, Camberwell, Southwark, England
Father: James Bull (coachman)
Spouse: Thomas Henry Connorton
Register Type: Parish Register
Witneses: George Connerton & Lucy Mary Bull

Marcus

Marcus Report 7 Oct 2017 14:39

Wow ! Thanks so much to all of you for the volume of information found......

I was unaware of Minnie & Alfred in all of this!

Thanks again for all the hard work. More to be done I'm sure.......