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I were looking at the above one 1891 but Caroline appears as Caroline Fitter with mum Mary Ann Fitter in 1891 also.Confusing.
Maryb.
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1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
264, Bridge St W, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Holyoak Head Widower Male 43 1838 Watch Hand Maker Warwick, Warwickshire, England
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George C Holyoak Son Single Male 20 1861 Modle Steam Engine Maker Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Alfred W Holyoak Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Harry Holyoak Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Arthur E Holyoak Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Nellie E Holyoak Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Daniel Holyoak Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Selina Holyoak Grand Mother Widow Female 63 1818 - Bedford, Bedfordshire, England
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William H Holyoak Brother Single Male 23 1858 (Artzn) Engraver Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Edward Street Court, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Holyoak Head - Male 33 1838 - Warwickshire, England
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Maria Holyoak Wife - Female 31 1840 - Warwickshire, England
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George Holyoak Son - Male 10 1861 - Warwickshire, England
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Alfred Holyoak Son - Male 2 1869 - Warwickshire, England
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Harry Holyoak Son - Male 0 1871 - Warwickshire, England
george is a watch hand maker
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Deaths Mar 1881 (>99%)
HOLYOAK Maria 40 Birmingham 6d 96
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I've got lost, lol...
Chris :)
(so below from other 'Thread')
Catherine Report 3 Jan 2016 22:02
Father is George
Name: Caroline Holyoake
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1883
Occupation:- Polisher
Marriage Date: 24 Apr 1910
Marriage Age: 27
Marriage Place: Birmingham, St George, Warwickshire, England
Spouse: Richard Buan
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Marriage Age: 22
xxxx Father: George Holyoake
Occupation:- Jeweller (deceased)
Spouse's Father: James Buan
Reference Number: DRO 9
Archive Roll: 609
Witness:- Annie Holyoake (see 1891 census below) Edits, (Residence at Time for both, 1 Temple Place, Hampton Street)
(I then added below earlier, are these the two sisters, Sylvia posted for 'Home Children'?)
Birmingham, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1912 (Ancestry)
(below pair, George occ. Jeweller. Abode, 21 Forge Street)
Alfred Hollyoake
21 Aug 1897 Birmingham, St Jude
George,
Mary Ann
Annie Hollyoake
21 Aug 1897 Birmingham, St Jude
George,
Mary Ann
(for them, same as Caroline (Mother Maiden Name) Bratt posted earlier)
Birth
HOLYOAK, ANNIE (BRATT)
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 76
Birth
HOLYOAKE, ALFRED (BRATT)
GRO Reference: 1888 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 73
Birmingham, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937 (Ancestry)
Annie Holyoak abt 1891
10 Feb 1917 Birmingham, St Mary
Spouse Harry Wynn
(her Father, George (Deceased. Diamond Setter. Residence for her, Shaftesbury House, St. Mary's Row)
Births Dec 1917 (>99%)
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Wynn Eva A Holyoaks Kings N. 6d 89
Edits (notes that address for Annie, 1917 Marriage, from google search)
http://www.formerchildrenshomes.org.uk/birmingham_1929.html
(Working Girls’ Hostel, Shaftesbury House, 3, 4 and 5 St Mary’s Row)
Edits
https://bifhsgo.ca/cstm_homeChildren.php?page=130&sortCol=snd&srch=
(above, also reference for Canada)
Deaths Sep 1966 (>99%)
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WYNN ANNIE 80 BIRMINGHAM 9C 315
Deaths Mar 1978 (>99%)
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WYNN HARRY 25JE1891 BIRMINGHAM 32 1365
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Saw above this morning...
Chris :)
All Birmingham, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937 (Ancestry)
Daniel Holyoak abt 1873
16 Nov 1895
Hockley, St Saviour
George,
Harriet
Spouse Harriet Cunliffe
(his Father George, Deceased, occ. Watch hand maker)
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Are there 2 George Hollyoak, if he had son Alfred 1869 died 1938 with Maria would he then have another Alfred 1888 with Mary Ann Fitter nee Bratt!! and also the problem with the 1891 census George with Carrie 1887 and also 1891 Mary Ann with daughter Caroline 1883.
Seems a bit strange to me.
Maryb.
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It's turned into a very confusing search!
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(well, not sure on anything!)
Chris :)
If Annie the witness, was her her sister who married 1917, Harry Wynn, 1939 they are at Beach Road, Birmingham, seeing Richard Bunn at Highbury Road 1939, checked on google maps, as below...
https://tinyurl.com/yd85uovx
(Jenny added below on other 'Thread', in case Annie was one of those sisters)
My granny died when my mother was about 7 years old. Wondering now if she weas sent abroad but returned at a later date - my grandad was very ill and wouldn't have been able to cope. I have been told that my grandmothers sisters may have looked after her for some time (no details though).
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Having found the Caroline who was sent to Canada, I did then try to find a return passage to the UK, but couldn't see anything on ancestry.
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So very grateful for all your help.
Many many thanks.
I have been a bit poorly so forgive me for not thanking you all sooner
Jenny
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