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Oh good grief! Actually I have just connected with a lady who's grandfather was Percy and herself and father (Percy's son) are very interested in this they don't know a great deal! I'm going to England next year and going to meet up, they live in T/Wells, which is where the Most of my paternal family are from. Hmm I'll have to test the waters as some people aren't ready for things such as this! And I thought my Smitherman family were rogues! Well they were in T/Wells from 1850's to the 1930's! I have pages of their antics!
I had contact with a lady a few years ago from Daisy Jenny and she sent me a photo of Daisy at her mother's funeral which had my Ggrandfather in it Daisy's half brother and I was able to tell her who it was........anyway she said apparently it was a celebration "Note joyous faces" were her words as Emma was quite the tarter! In more ways than one! Looks like it could of been passed on!

Referring to your previous post regarding all the children yes the ones with mother 'Haddock' were Job's with his first wife Mary Joseph Henry is my Ggrandfather regarding MaryAnn that also puzzles me as on the 1841 census Job is with Mary and John William plus his parents (John and Ann) plus a Joseph and another girl (can't remember the name) also an Ann I think. Of course they don't give relationship on that census! I believe Joseph to be Job's brother and the 'girl' to be Job's sister or his brother's wife? I know I tried to find her but no deaths etc.

now on the 1851 census Job's father John is widowed and he has an Ann living with him as granddaughter age 15. I was hoping his wife would be alive to see her birthplace! As I found a marriage for a John and Ann Barrow in Kent and she is put as 'not in county' on the 1841 Job too and on all the censuses he is on he consistently puts his birthplace as Cowden Kent. He signed his name on the marriage cert which means he was educated which fits in with his father being a schoolmaster on the 1841 although on 1851 he is a land surveyor.

I have tried to find records of schools in Etchingham Hurst green etc to see if his children or he as a teacher are named but no luck.
Also no baptisms for Job or Joseph but then I know that my Ggrandfather was 'chapel' and they do adult baptisms!
Anyway thank you so much for this information it really is much appreciated I tend to pick up my research and see if I can find more or know down walls!

Joseph Henry's wife Fanny Greener her father George well he has been the toughest! No birth no death! I have his army papers birthplace T/Wells and him and the family returned to Pembury (village next to it) after 10yrs in Ireland in December 1881 then nothing! Wife and children in pembury not him! It wasn't until one time I was looking in the newspapers that had been updated that I found an article from the workhouse there where he worked as a porter that he had suddenly left couldn't cope anymore and was off overseas!
Being 1888 just before the start of the records for leaving England didn't help in my search! Tried arrivals in US Canada Australia New Zealand nothing! I guess with this one it's going to be a matter of chip by chip on this wall! He puts his father as George Greener on his marriage cert but have never found anything possibly Reg under his mother's name one if my grandfathers was!

Oh dear!

Kent & Sussex Courier - Friday 30 June 1916

Daisy Parkes was summoned for neglecting her children, John William aged 14 years; Albert Edward (12), Winifred Grace (9), Doris (7), Percy (4), and Norah (1 1/2), in a manner likely to cause them unnecessary suffering or injury to health at 51 Kirkdale Road, between May 17th and June 17th.

P-Sergt. Mitchell deposed to visiting the home on the 17th inst. and examining the six children, about whom a complaint had been made- All six children were verminous, but the two eldest and the youngest were not so bad as the other three, A garment of one of the boys was so verminous that when he showed it to the mother she put it in the fire and burnt it. Mrs. Parkes told witness she hoped she would get six months, and then she would have a rest. He visited the house again on Friday, and found that a great improvement had been effected. The husband was carter and earned 26s. a week. The children were well nourished.

Dr. F. C. Linton. Medical Officer of Health, gave evidence to the effect that the children w;ere verminous.

Defendant said the children became verminous at school. She had done her best keep them clean.

The Summons was adjourned for a month, and Dr. Linton was asked to make a further report, the woman being told that if the report was satisfactory she would hear nothing further about the matter.

I'm wondering if the 12 children Emma lists included those of her first, second and third marriage, and even perhaps Job's children from his first marriage. This is the list of children that I could find for them: (ten were Emma's children)

NEAL, JOHN WILLIAM (Mother's maiden name: HADDOCK )
GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in TICEHURST UNION Volume 07 Page 405
(died 1892)

Neal, Mary Ann- baptised 1844, but I can find no entry in the indexes

NEAL, WALTER AMOS (Mother's maiden name: HADDOCK )
GRO Reference: 1847 J Quarter in TICEHURST UNION Volume 07 Page 486
(died 1899)

NEAL, CATHERINE GEORGINA (Mother's maiden name: HADDOCK)
GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in TICEHURST Volume 07 Page 527
(died 1905)

NEAL, JOSEPH HENRY (Mother's maiden name: HADDOCK )
GRO Reference: 1856 J Quarter in TUNBRIDGE Volume 02A Page 370
(died 1927)
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The following were Emma's children:

KING, BARBARA ELLEN (mother's maiden name: TESTER )
GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in MALLING Volume 02A Page 469
(died 1875- with surname Shepherd)

KING, THOMAS HENRY (mother's maiden name: TESTER)
GRO Reference: 1868 J Quarter in MALLING Volume 02A Page 484
(died 1877- with surname Shepherd)

SHEPHERD, EDWARD (Mother's maiden name: TESTER)
GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in MALLING Volume 02A Page 542

SHEPHERD, MARGARET CATHERINE (Mother's maiden name: TESTER )
GRO Reference: 1872 M Quarter in MAIDSTONE Volume 02A Page 617

SHEPPARD, ALICE (Mother's maiden name: TESTER)
GRO Reference: 1873 D Quarter in TUNBRIDGE Volume 02A Page 577
(died 1874)

NEAL, WALTER ERNEST (Mother's maiden name: TESTER )
GRO Reference: 1877 S Quarter in TUNBRIDGE Volume 02A Page 568

NEAL, DAISY JENNY (Mother's maiden name: TESTER)
GRO Reference: 1879 M Quarter in TUNBRIDGE Volume 02A Page 614

NEAL, JOHN JOSEPH (Mother's maiden name: TESTER )
GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in TUNBRIDGE Volume 02A Page 628

NEAL, ALBERT EDWARD (Mother's maiden name: TESTER)
GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in TUNBRIDGE Volume 02A Page 651

NEAL, ELLEN AMELIA (Mother's maiden name: TESTER)
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in TUNBRIDGE Volume 02A Page 664
(died 1909)

Wow thank you AustinQ
Stuff I didn't know! I did have the access to the papers a few months ago didn't see these two!
Also that Emma had 12 children! I know she had 4 with Job and the youngest a female died 1909
When she married Job she had two I think with her? The others must if all died!
Funny isn't it that one part of the family have lots of children and they carry on and others just peter out!
Job's eldest son most of his children died before they married and his youngest son by his first wife my Ggrandfather he had 7sons and a daughter my grandmother of the sons only one had children that produced! One was killed in WW 1 one took his own life, one didn't marry, three married one died young one daughter and the other two one no children the other lost both as babies!
Thank you once again! Walter Ernest and John Joseph I couldn't find!

Presume this refers to Daisy's father- although the age on the article is wrong:

Kent & Sussex Courier - Friday 12 July 1895

SUDDEN DEATH
A sad case of sudden death occurred in Camden Road on Monday evening. It seems that Job Neal aged 18 years of 16 Granville Road complained of feeling ill whilst he was walking, and Mr W H Marsh of Chandos Road was assisting him home, when he fell down and expired. Dr Simpson who was called, pronounced that life was extinct. Dr Penny certified that death was due to syncope, so an inquest was not held.
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Looks like Emma was living at Walter's address when she died:

Kent & Sussex Courier - Friday 15 May 1925

OBITUARY
Mrs Emma Neal of 24 Granville Road, passed away on Monday week, aged 81 years. The funeral took place in the family grave at the Borough Cemetery, following a service in St Jame's Church, the Ven. Archdeacon A T Scott officiating.

John Joseph 1911:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
24 Wilmount Street Woolwich, Woolwich, London & Kent, England

John Joseph Neale Head Married Male Life Assurance Agent 31 1880 Kent Tunbridge Wells
Minnie Neale Wife Married Female - 29 1882 Kent Tunbridge Wells
Harry Ernest Neale Son - Male - 7 1904 Kent Woolwich
Arthur John Neale Son - Male - 7 1904 Kent Woolwich
Minnie Frances Margaret Neale Daughter - Female - 1 1910 Kent Woolwich
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Minnie married 9 years, 4 children, 3 still living

Walter Errnest 1911:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
24 Granville Road Tunbridge Wells, Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England

Walter E Neal Head Married Male Wood Working Machinist 33 1878 Tunbridge Wells Kent
Mary Neal Wife Married Female - 33 1878 Bayswater London
May Neal Daughter - Female - 12 1899 Tunbridge Wells Kent
Ivy Neal Daughter - Female - 9 1902 Tunbridge Wells Kent
Ernest B Neal Son - Male - 7 1904 Tunbridge Wells Kent
Florence K Neal Daughter - Female - 5 1906 Tunbridge Wells Kent
Frank E Neal Son - Male - 3 1908 Tunbridge Wells Kent
Ellen M Neal Daughter - Female - 0 1911 Tunbridge Wells Kent
Bertram J Staples Brother In Law - Male Picture Palace Porter 25 1886 Notting Hill Gt London
Sydney J Shuttleworth Lodger Married Male Hawker 34 1877 Chelmsford
Lily May Shuttleworth Lodger Married Female - 23 1888 Ticehurst Sussex
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Mary married 12 years. 7 children, 6 still living

FMP transcription:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
16 Granville Road Tunbridge Wells, Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England

John Thomas Parkes Husband Married Male Nurserymen Carman 37 1874 Wadhurst Sussex
Daisy Jenny Parkes Wife Married Female Washer Private Laundry 32 1879 Tunbridge Wells Kent
Daisy Ellen Parkes Daughter Single Female School 12 1899 Tunbridge Wells Kent
Rose Emma Parkes Daughter Single Female School 10 1901 Tunbridge Wells Kent
John William Parkes Son Single Male School 9 1902 Tunbridge Wells Kent
Albert Edward Parkes Son Single Male School 7 1904 Tunbridge Wells Kent
Winifred Grace Parkes Daughter Single Female At Home 4 1907 Tunbridge Wells Kent
Doris May Parkes Daughter Single Female At Home 2 1909 Tunbridge Wells Kent
Emma Neal Mother In Law Widow Female Out Of Work 66 1845 Burgess Hill Sussex
William Harland Lodger Married Male Blacksmith 58 1853 Cockfield Sussex
Elizabeth Harland Wife Married Female At Home 68 1843 Mayfield Sussex
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Daisy married 13 years. 6 children- all still living
Emma Neal- married 36 years. 12 children- 5 still living
Elizabeth Harland- married 35 years, 2 children- both still living

Thank you so much I sure can! There were quite a few children born in that time frame! I guessed the Daisy I saw could be theirs and from 1911 there are three more!
Good that her mother is there too she died in 1925. Could I ask if the last two have any status next to them? Maybe Emma's sister and husband? I see that Emma's two sons Walter Ernest (1877) and John J (1880) aren't there. There was another daughter but she died 1909
Daisy's father was a job Neal and I come from his youngest child with his first wife, there was about 30yrs difference with Emma his 2nd wife she was also a widow with two children of her own!
Anyway thanks once again

Here you go. Dawn you can now check births using the MMN on the GRO site pre 1911

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp


John Thomas Parker
[John Thomas Parkes]

Age in 1911:37

Estimated birth year:abt 1874

Relation to Head:Husband

Birth Place:Wadhurst, Sussex

Civil Parish:Tunbridge Wells

County/Island:Kent

Street address:16 Granville Road, Tunbridge Wells, Kent

Marital Status:Married

Occupation:Nurserymen Carman

Registration district:Tonbridge

Registration District Number:50
Sub-registration district:Tunbridge Wells

ED, institution, or vessel:21
Household schedule number:89
Piece:4060


John Thomas Parker 37
Daisy Jenny Parker 32
Daisy Ellen Parker 12
Rose Emma Parker 10
John William Parker 9
Albert Edward Parker 7
Winifred Grace Parker 4
Doris May Parker 2
Emma Neal 66
William Harland 58
Elizabeth Harland 68

I am looking for the family of John Thomas Parkes wife Daisy Jenny, they should be at 16 Grenville Rd Tunbridge Wells Kent. I would like to know children as I can't tell with the birth records as the don't show the mother's name until 1911
There could possible be Daisy's mother Emma Neal.
Thank you :-)