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Just also noticed in 1871 census ( Mary ) Bridgett Powell ( Stanley ?!!) was born in Birmingham ?! Not stoke on trent

On the 1861 census Bridgett is stated as birth place Fenton SOT ?!?! Not Birmingham as stated 1871 census

I think Birmingham is more likely correct as Birmingham is also stated as her place of birth in 1851.

Plus in 1841, when the family were living in Stoke upon Trent, Bridget and her brother are listed as NOT born in County Staffordshire.

Oh that's really interesting thank you AustinQ - please could anybody help locate a birth ?? :-)

(no idea at all on below, but as it came up!)

Chris :)

Ireland Roman Catholic Parish Marriages Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Michael
Last name Scanlan
Marriage year 1830
Marriage date 12 Jan 1830
Parish Roscommon and Kilteevan
Alternative parish names Kilteevan, Kiltivan, Roscommon, Roscommon and Kiltivan
Diocese Elphin
Spouse's first name(s) Margt
Spouse's last name Moran
County Roscommon

Possible?

England Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms

First name(s) Birgitta
Last name Scanlin
Birth date 22 Nov 1828
Birth year 1828
Baptism year 1828
Baptism date 14 Dec 1828
Church St Chad
Parish Birmingham, St Chad's Cathedral
Deanery Birmingham Cathedral
Diocese Birmingham
County Warwickshire
Father's first name(s) Michaelis
Father's last name Scanlin
Mother's first name(s) Margarite Smith
Archive Birmingham Archdiocesan Archives
Archive reference P1/1/2
Records year range 1826-1854
Document type Baptisms & marriages
Page 41
Record set England Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

Nyx- that looks good for Bridget (Mary)!

This looks to be her brother James (Jacobus in Latin- conforming with Catholic registers). Name on original is Scanley

England Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms Transcription

First name(s) Jacobus
Last name Scarley
Birth date 15 Feb 1831
Birth year 1831
Baptism year 1831
Baptism date 06 Mar 1831
Church St Chad
Parish Birmingham, St Chad's Cathedral
Deanery Birmingham Cathedral
Diocese Birmingham
County Warwickshire
Father's first name(s) Michaelis
Father's last name Scarley
Mother's first name(s) Margarita Smith
Archive Birmingham Archdiocesan Archives

AustinQ, that looks good for James :-) i didn't think of Jacobus :-)

Hey thank you !! for this I ve only just had chance to come and look since last posted message - looks promising :-)

How on earth can the have sooo many variants of Stanley - scalin scandlen etc etc wow am reall surprised

Do you think it possible they changed it to Stanley once in Birmingham & then Stoke to sound less Irish ?

So Margaret Tomlin or Tomblin as on the censuses was really Margaret smith. (?) wonder where Tomblin came from :-(

Chris just seen this thank you !!
If him below...

Chris :)

01 July 1854 - Staffordshire Sentinel and Commercial & General Advertiser

District Intelligence.
The Court opened at eleven o'clock. Michael Scanlon, an Irishman, stonemason, was acquitted on the charge of stealing, on the 16th of March last, a stonemason's chisel, the property of Frederick Mills.

One last thing for tonight don't know a whole lot about Irish immigration but was the potatoe famine around 1820s 1830s wonder if Bridget & Michael possibly left Ireland because of that (??!) im guessing there may not be ship passenger registers for this? :-(

Wrong era

Yes Emma- Margaret's maiden name looks to have been Smith.

Margaret was never called Tomlin/ Tomblin- somebody had just mistranscribed the 1871 census. On the original image, her name is Scanlin.

Oh I see - thank you !!

Emma, yes a bit early for the potato famine, but a lot of Irish did come here for work.
There won't be passenger lists unfortunately.

Re the name differences, enumerators on the census etc would put down the name they 'heard', and as many people at that time would have been illiterate the person would probably have not known themselves how their name was spelled.

Also remember that some of the records found will be transcriptions from original images which may be faded or indistinct, or the handwriting difficult to read.

Nyx - thank you I get what you mean - quite an eye opener then the person not really even knowing there last name. I guess strong accents influenced how something was written down too. I still don't really know now how to take the step backwards and look for Micheal Stanley's ( ?!! ) parents,simply because of the last name spelling & interpretation.

I can't see a marriage, but then again we don't know where it took place,

as the baptisms of children were at St Chads, you could try an enquiry as to whether the records might show a marriage for Michael & Margaret?

"Please contact the Archivist at St Chad’s for these records. Contact: The Rev. John Sharp, Archivist, Cathedral House, St. Chad's Queensway, Birmingham B4 4EU. Tel: 0121 230 6252. Email: [email protected] "

Even so it may not give parents names. if you want to try searching for a marriage in Dublin, you might have to work through the various parishes and likely years on https://registers.nli.ie/