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Hi im keeping this separate from the Myatt thread I posted yesterday so as not to over complicate things

My line is a Frances Myatt born lane end Longton SOT 1832 she married a Mr harding and had a son William Thomas 1855.

I am trying to determine Frances parents and the subsequent marriage.

One possible one is James Myatt & Dorothy.
Thank you!

Well the marriage cert should name her father .if known

Not seeing any marriage to Harding

Do you have the cert to confirm mother is Frances

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
HARDING, WILLIAM THOMAS MYATT Order
GRO Reference: 1855 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 185

Looks promising. Note the myatt child living with them

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Name: William S Harding
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: 1854
Relation: Son
Father's name: George Harding
Mother's name: Frances Harding
Gender: Male
Where born: Longton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Longton
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Longton
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 45
Piece: 1943
Folio: 6
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
George Harding 29 occ collier
Frances Harding 29 occ employed in the pots
Sarah Ann Myatt 9
William T Harding 7
Emily Harding 1

Maybe couldn't read or write so it's a phonetic spelling how it sounded

Marriages Jun 1854
Harding George Stoke T 6b 224
MART Frances Stoke T. 6b 224

MYATT, SARAH ANN -
GRO Reference: 1852 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 182

Note no mmn so illegitimate

Same on below...

http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

(also same FMP Marriage image, her Father James Mart occ. Potter)

Chris :)

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1854

HARDING George MART Frances Stoke, St Peter Stoke-On-Trent 31/10/129.


Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1852

MYATT Sarah Ann MYATT Longton Stoke-On-Trent LGN/017/089

For some reason she is now Sarah . Maybe because they have a young daughter Frances

George Harding
in the 1871 England Census
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Name: George Harding
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Harding
Gender: Male
Where born: Longton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Stoke upon Trent
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Longton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 49
Piece: 2874
Folio: 51
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
George Harding 39 occ collier
Sarah Harding 35
William Harding 16 working in the pots
Emily Harding 11
Frances Harding 1

Class: RG10; Piece: 2874; Folio: 51; Page: 15; GSU roll: 836387
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1871 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.
There is a big gap between Emily and Frances

But had he remarried

HARDING, FRANCES WEBSTER Order
GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 250

Looks like Frances died in 1862

HARDING, FRANCES 30 Order
GRO Reference: 1862 S Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 105

Possible below...

Chris :)

County Staffordshire
Place Longton
Church name St John
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 1614
Burial date 19 Jul 1862
Person age 36
Burial person forename Frances
Burial person surname HARDING

https://www.freereg.org.uk/


Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1869

HARDING Frances WEBSTER Longton Stoke-On-Trent LGN/044/001

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Name: George Harding
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Sarah A. Harding
Where born: Longton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Stoke Upon Trent
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: 35 Upper John St
Marital Status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Coal Miner
Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub registration district: Longton
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2734
Folio: 13
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
George Harding 47
Sarah A. Harding 46
Frances Harding 11
Mary A. Harding 5
Samuel Harding 2


HARDING, MARY ANN WEBSTER Order
GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 290

Is this the baptism you have picked up

Frances Myatt
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 12 Feb 1832
Baptism Place: Lane End,Stafford,England
Father: James Myatt
Mother: Dorothy
FHL Film Number: 435797, 435798, 435799, 435800, 435801

That's the baptism I saw bit could find no marriage for a James or Dorothy

So you think Frances changed her name to Sarah Ann ?

Should I maybe just be looking for James Myatt marriages circa 1810 ish around that area

No Frances died in 1862. And George Harding remarried to a Sarah ann

I would get the marriage cert of 1854. Looks like it's a phonetic spelling of her surname

Ohhh I get you sorry - back to James though supposed father to Frances - what dya think

There are several possibilities on Ancestry trees

Your best bet is to get that marriage cert