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Great News the tree I found is a match to Helene and have confirmed 2 children Christoper and Robin (yeah both boys) no Marylin so that was a bit of a red herring!

great to finally get to the bottom of the missing information - may even get more information yet if I am lucky as I have messaged someone of genes reunited with the name Robin Peter Prior born in durban so just hope that they are still active

Thank you all for the help it is such a relief to finally get there

Jenny

The 17-year-old who apparently travelled with Charles & Helene to the UK in 1957 -
on a second look I see that his surname is Curtin on the image, not Curtis - but that may be a typing mistake. He's going to the same address as Charles.

He didn't travel back with them to SA later that year - left in UK for school / university/ work / living with grandparents ??? Or else he's nothing to do with C & H!

Can't see any other record of him, unless he later omitted his middle name.

Great that's him heading out they got married in 1956

I have found a tree on My herritage which looks like Helene's family threy have the two marriage the death and two children with the surname prior. they look as if the tree has been active recently so will try to contact them and see if I can't find out what happened to the 2 children

First name(s) C A
Last name Curtis
Title MR
Gender Male
Age 26
Birth year 1921
Occupation FRUIT SPEC
Departure year 1947
Departure day 28
Departure month 10
Departure port Southampton
Destination port Cape
Destination CAPE
Country South Africa
Destination country South Africa
Ship name Carnarvon Castle
Ship official number 148766
Ship master's first name T W
Ship master's last name MCALLEN
Ship master's title CAPT
Shipping line UNION-CASTLE MAIL S/S COY
City SOUTHAMPTON
Ship destination port SOUTH AFRICA
Ship destination country SOUTH AFRICA
Ship registered tonnage 16159
Number of passengers 1312
Record set Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from Great Britain, England


Can't see anything on Marylin though

right got a death for Charles & Helene both in SA 08/05/1989 for helene sandton and Charles 28/07/1995 johannesburg

as Helene married Charles in 1956 she would have been 40 so kids maybe not that likely

can find any trace of Marylin Prior from her previous marriage

Possible?? with husband Charles ( company director aged 51 and child Charles ( age 7)

Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription

Province Quebec
First name(s) Rosalie
Last name Curtis
Gender Female
Age 37
Birth year 1892
Marital status M
Occupation H WIFE
Departure year 1929
Departure day 7
Departure month 8
Departure port Southampton
Destination port Montreal
Destination MONTREAL
Country Canada
Destination country Canada
Ship name Aurania
Ship official number 147277
Ship master's first name B B
Ship master's last name ORAM
Shipping line CUNARD
City SOUTHAMPTON
Ship destination port MONTREAL
Ship destination country CANADA
Ship square feet 12480
Ship registered tonnage 8473
Number of passengers 304
Record set Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from Great Britain, England, Canada, Americas

Marriages Dec 1920 (>99%)
Ashbee Rosalie Curtis Cricklade 5a 133
Curtis Charles A Ashbee Cricklade 5a 133

With Mrs Curtis whose DOB matches Helene's 29/9/1916 ( as posted by ArgyllGRan :-) )
First name(s) C A
Last name Curtis
Title LT
Gender Male
Birth year 1921
Birth day 5
Birth month 9
Marital status M
Occupation SOUTH AFRICAN NAVY
Departure year 1957
Departure day 25
Departure month 7
Departure port Southampton
Destination port Cape
Destination CAPE
Country South Africa
Destination country South Africa
Ship name Capetown Castle
Ship master's first name J
Ship master's last name ?
City SOUTHAMPTON
Ship destination port SOUTH AFRICA
Ship destination country SOUTH AFRICA
Number of passengers 0
Record set Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from Great Britain, England

Right got Charles Curtis birth in Willsden Middlesex mothers maiden name Ashbee
so he maybe moved over into the SA navy as a lot of them did so maybe all the records in SA

South African I think though the subs are set in dollars. Ancestry bought up some SA records but haven't put them online.

the gendatabase is that an american website?

can't find any trace of Charles or his marriage to Helene, it's always the same struggle.....

just wondering if they moved on abroad and UK was just a transitional point but if he was in the RNVR i was kind of assuming he was british

Charles mentioned here 1944

http://digital.nls.uk/british-military-lists/archive/93405030?mode=transcription

This one should work and then use the search but it's a pay site if you want the full details

https://www.gendatabase.com/index.php

Those both look promising: so it looks like Helene married again!

definitely a lead to follow up

The link you put on Nyx wouldn't load for me but thanks for this another avenue to look down

Helene Mechtild Curtis
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Helene Mechtild Curtis
Birth Date: 29 Sep 1916
Age: 40
Port of Departure: Durban, South Africa
Arrival Date: 21 Jun 1957
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Durban
Ship Name: Carnarvon Castle
Shipping line: Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 1726/01

UK address: 15 Pamela Gardens, Westcote [?], Pinner.
Housewife, British, married..
Last and future intended address: South Africa.
Intended duration of stay: 1.5 months.


Travelling with Charles Ashbee Curtis, born 1921, and a possible son - born 1940, so I won't post his name.
UK address for both of them different from Helene - c/0 Gen Sec Navy League, Trafalgar Square, London.

Is this Helene also??

https://www.gendatabase.com/one-results.php


NAMES SURNAME MAIDEN NAME DATE OF BIRTH SPOUSE VIEW RECORD
HELENE MECHTILD CURTIS MAERCKS 1916-09-29 CHARLES ASHBEE (Curtis)


CHARLES ASHBEE CURTIS 1921-09-05 DEATHS DATABASE Signup to View
CHARLES ASHBEE CURTIS 19561020 MARRIAGE DATABASE Signup to View
CHARLES ASHBEE 1995-07-27 ESTATES DATABASE Signup to View
CHARLES ASHBEE 1995-07-27 ESTATES DATABASE

Previous thread for background

https://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1325763?d=desc

Hi Trying to trace more information for the above

What I know:

She Married my Ancestor Richard Arthur Prior on 11/05/1943 st Pauls Church Durban South Africa.
I believe they had a child - Marylin Prior b around 1945 place unknown
They were divorced sometime before 1965 as he married again to Sheila Jean Henman (or Hienman) again in Durban south Africa 08/10/1965 unsure if they had any family as they divorced in 1971

if anyone can shed any light on any of the above it would be greatly appreciated

Thanks

Jenny