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1st W War Casualty Widow

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Glyn

Glyn Report 26 Jan 2018 07:51

My grandmother, Florence Holloway, married an ANZAC from New Zealand in the 1st World War. He survived and they were married for many years. Her sister, VOILET MARY HOLLOWAY 1898-1957, also married an ANZAC from Australia. Sadly he died in 1917 the year they were married.
I think Violet went to Australia as she had a baby girl, named Peggy ( I think). She did return to Wiltshire and I think she died in Urchfont.

It’s a sad story, and I know other people had the same tragedy. I would like to trace what happened to Violet, but also what became of her child. Her husband’s name was THOMAS WHITE and he died in 1917.

Thank you
Glyn

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 26 Jan 2018 07:59

Born late 1897:

1939
White Household (4 People) 89 Mortimer Street , Trowbridge U.D., Wiltshire, England

Violet M White 10 Dec 1897 Female Packer Steriliser Milk Factory Widowed
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Violet's death:
First name(s) VIOLET MARY
Last name WHITE
Gender Female
Birth day 10
Birth month 12
Birth year 1897
Death quarter 1
Death year 1984
District Trowbridge
Register number 184
County Wiltshire
Volume 23 Page 2431

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 26 Jan 2018 08:01

As well as Peggy there are also possible births for two sons- all children born after Thomas death.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 26 Jan 2018 08:06

Possible death for Peggy (married Ernest Lyte in 1944, and married again to John Doherty in 1955):

First name(s) PEGGY ARMISTICE
Last name DOHERTY
Gender Female
Birth day 11
Birth month 11
Birth year 1921
Death quarter 2
Death year 1995
District Swindon
District number 7961B
Register number B45B
Entry number 157
Date of registration mm/yy 0695

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Jan 2018 08:19

Was wondering where in Australia? (Queensland, NSW etc.)

Chris :)

Edits (below one?)

White Thomas : SERN 2005 : POB Mackay QLD : POE Rockhampton QLD : NOK W White Violet
Contents date range
1914 - 1920

(yes, from image, Violet M White, 9, Havelock St, Trowbridge, Wilts. Dated 11/1/16)


Australian Imperial Force Embarkation Roll 1914-1918 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Thomas
Last name White
Service number 2005
Rank Private
Birth year 1890
Marital status Single
Occupation Labourer
Religion Church of England
Age at Embarkation 26
Embarkation year 1916
Embarkation date 01 May 1916
Embarkation regiment/unit 52nd Infantry Battalion
Unit information 3rd Reinforcements
Departure port Brisbane, Queensland
Ship name Hmat A46, Clan Mcgillivray
Enlistment date 11 Jan 1916
Address Peri
City Mackay
State Queensland
Country Australia
Next of kin's first name(s) Charlotte
Next of kin's last name Burkett
Next of kin title Mrs
Relationship Mother
Next of kin address Peri
Next of kin city Mackay
Next of kin state QUEENSLAND

(on Aust. Archives WW1 image, Violet is given)

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 26 Jan 2018 08:20

Possibly Violet travelling to Australia with her eldest child in 1919- both intending to reside in Queensland (but had returned to England by 1921 for daughter's birth):

Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription

names Mrs V M White, age 22, occ domestic duties
names Thomas White age 1

Departure year 1919
Departure day 18
Departure month 7
Departure port London
Destination port Brisbane
Destination BRISBANE
State Queensland
Country Australia
Destination country Australia
Ship name Orsova
Ship official number 128278

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Jan 2018 08:33

(yes could be, nothing jumping out on below, although does state below)

Current birth search range is from 1829 to 1918.

Chris :)

https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/queryEntry.m?type=births


https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y

(if any snippet on above)


https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/576954/white,-thomas/

Private WHITE, THOMAS Service Number 2005A
Died 17/04/1918
Aged 29
52nd Bn. Australian Infantry, A.I.F.
Husband of Violet Mary White, of 9, Havelock St., Trowbridge, England.

Buried at VILLERS-BRETONNEUX MILITARY CEMETERY

https://tinyurl.com/ybwemoa6


The Telegraph (Brisbane, Qld. : 1872 - 1947) Monday 20 May 1918

Roll of Honour. 261 Queenslanders
Thomas White, England, 17/4/18.


Wiltshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1917

HOLLOWAY Violet M WHITE Thomas Trowbridge Holy Trinity History Centre C24/3/42

http://www.wiltshirebmd.org.uk/index.php


Marriages Sep 1917 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------------------
Holloway Violet M White Melksham 5a 219
White Thomas Holloway Melksham 5a 219

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 26 Jan 2018 08:33

Obituary of Mrs Florence Holloway of 20 Orchard Road recorded in the Wiltshire Times and Trowbridge Advertiser 10 July 1943.

Mourners were:
Mr W Holloway, son
Mr & Mrs Stanley Holloway, son & daughter in law
Mr & Mrs Blackey, daughter & son in law
Mr & Mrs J West, daughter and son in law
Mr & Mrs T Lyke, daughter & son in law
Mrs V White, daughter
Teggie Lyke, Peggy White & Gladie- grandchildren
--------------------------

The article also gives mention of the floral tributes which include:

In loving memory of a dearest Mother and Gran from Vi & Gray

In loving memory of our dearest Gran from her Granschildren, Tom Peg and Gladie (on active service) "Gone but not forgotten"

Glyn

Glyn Report 26 Jan 2018 23:24

I will look up Thomas army records to confirm that. They were married3rd quarter of 1917 in TROWBRIDGE.
Thanks for what you’ve found out and I’ll get back to you soon with more army info

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 27 Jan 2018 06:51

Well think below is him...(posted earlier)

Chris :)

https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/576954/white,-thomas/

Private WHITE, THOMAS Service Number 2005A
Died 17/04/1918
Aged 29
52nd Bn. Australian Infantry, A.I.F.
Husband of Violet Mary White, of 9, Havelock St., Trowbridge, England.

Buried at VILLERS-BRETONNEUX MILITARY CEMETERY


http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/

(RecordSearch (to) NameSearch) World War 1)

(his record was on above, but a lot of images, some repeats, you have to keep plodding through!)


1911 (Find My Past) (Address Reference)
George Holloway Head Married Male 43 1868 Steple Ashton Wilts General Hawker
Florance Holloway Wife Married Female 38 1873 Bristol -
Florance Holloway Daughter Single Female 16 1895 Bristol Wooling Piecer
Violet Holloway Daughter - Female 13 1898 Trowbridge Wilts School
Edith Holloway Daughter - Female 11 1900 Trowbridge Wilts School
William Holloway Son - Male 9 1902 Trowbridge Wilts -
Lillian Holloway Daughter - Female 7 1904 Trowbridge Wilts -
Stanley Holloway Son - Male 2 1909 Trowbridge Wilts
9 Havelock Street Trowbridge, Trowbridge, Wiltshire

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 27 Jan 2018 09:07

(no time at present, but below is Death of Thomas White, AQ, if you're about, there is an address Queensland!, apologies for the cheek!, but going out shortly)

Chris :)

17 April 1920 - Wiltshire Times and Trowbridge Advertiser - Trowbridge

From Liz loving Wife and Child. Mrs, V. White tnee Violet Holloway). Road, Mackey, Australia.

Choccy

Choccy Report 27 Jan 2018 09:47

17th April 1920 - Wiltshire Times and Trowbridge Advertiser

In loving memory of my dear husband and dear daddy, Private Thomas White, who was killed in action in France on April 18th 1918.

'Only the grave of a hero,
Only a mound of earth,
Far from the land of Wattie, the place that gave him birth.
Somewhere in France he's lying, he answered his country's call,
He died an Australian hero, fighting to save us all'

From his loving wife and child Ms V White (nee Violet Holloway), Bridge Road, Queensland Mackey, Australia.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 27 Jan 2018 14:35

(thankyou Choccy, very grateful, felt like I'd got the cheek of the devil, lol, time seemed to whizz earlier!)

Chris :)

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 (Ancestry)

(Queensland (District) Herbert MacKay)

(would be his Mother at Bridge Road, Charlotte Birkett, and a George Col* Birkett, there in 1917/22)

(down as George Coleman Birkett, and George Colam Birkett)


https://tinyurl.com/y9vg5ddx

(Charlotte Death notice, 1925)


https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y

(for Newspapers, if anything else relating)


Queensland, Mackay, Funeral notices and funeral director records Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Charlotte
Last name Birkett
Sex Female
Age 65
Birth year 1860
Burial year 1925
Burial date 22 May 1925
Place Mackay
State Queensland
Country Australia


Queensland Marriages 1829-1939 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) George Colman
Last name Birkett
Registration year 1897
Registration number 1897/001304
Marriage date 15 Mar 1897
Spouse's first name(s) Charlotte
Spouse's last name White
State Queensland
Country Australia

Glyn

Glyn Report 27 Jan 2018 16:30

Yes those war records are Thomas Whites. SERN 2005 POB Mackay QLD: POE Rockhampton etc.
As for where he came from I think he was from Rockhampton but I haven’t found out yet where in Australia that is
I thought Violet had a daughter called Peggy who was his daughter, but from what you’ve all found it seems she had more children, of whom only one is Thomas child.
Thank you for what you’ve found out so far. I Thank

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 27 Jan 2018 19:08

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockhampton

(info. Rockhampton on above, from google search)

Chris :)

(a check on below, if Birth Queensland)

https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/queryEntry.m?type=births


1889 C7005 Thomas White William Charlotte Gaylard

Glyn

Glyn Report 27 Jan 2018 21:27

Thanks everyone for all that information.
I’ll see if I can find out more about Violets three children and what happened to them