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HI

I am looking for details on the above who was my Grandmother's (Edith) youngest sister from Middlesborough. She was married to a Cyril? Mossop. Are there any living relatives who may also have info on Thirza's father George Jones b. 1872?

Many thanks
Tanja Bullock

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Marriages Jun 1941 (>99%)

Jones Thirza Mossop Middlesbro' 9d 1575
MOSSOP Cyril J Jones Middlesbro' 9d 1575

For ref

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION

Jones Household (6 People)
12 Marsh Street , Middlesbrough C.B., Yorkshire (North Riding), England


Thirza ( *Jon error in transcription) Mossop (Jones) 08 Sep 1915 Female Hotel Worker Dining Room Waitress Single 190 4
George Jones 24 May 1872 Male Iron Worker Retired Married 190 1
Thirza Jones 03 Sep 1877 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 190 2
Ella Honeyman (Brown) 16 May 1907 Female Task Shop (Dealer) Widowed 190 3
Ella Thompson (Brown) 25 Apr 1937 Female Under School Age Single 190 5
Annie Greenwood (Jones) 17 Apr 1924 Female Paid Domestic Worker Single 190 6

Possible for Cyril's birth:-

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription
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First name(s) CYRIL J
Last name MOSSOP
Birth year 1915
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's last name Mossop
District Carlisle
County Cumberland
Country England
Volume 10B
Page 1156
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births

Kath. x

Is this your grandmother in 1911 with her parents? :-

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
12 Mabel Street Middlesbrough, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation

George Jones Head Married Male 37 1874 Pontnewynydd Monmouthshire Iron Worker
Thirza Jones Wife Married Female 34 1877 Abersychan -
Agnes Jones Daughter Single Female 14 1897 West Bromwich Staffordshire School
William H Jones Son Single Male 9 1902 Middlesbrough Yorkshire School
Stanley Jones Son Single Male 7 1904 Middlesbrough Yorkshire School
Emily Jones Daughter Single Female 6 1905 Middlesbrough Yorkshire School
Ella Jones Daughter Single Female 4 1907 Middlesbrough Yorkshire -
Edith Jones Daughter - Female 2 1909 Middlesbrough Yorkshire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

If this is the correct family then it won't be easy finding the right George Jones from Wales!

Kath. x

Son born 1946 to Thirza and Cyril, probably still living so you can ses name on freebmd.org.uk using surnames Mossop/Jones in search fields.

Possible marriage Teeside 1968?

and is possibly on 2014 electoral roll Cleveland area.

This looks like the marriage of your great-grandparents:-

England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription
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First name(s) GEORGE
Last name JONES
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1895
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ GEORGE JONES married
Thurza Edwards
District Pontypool
District number -
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Volume 11A
Volume as transcribed 11A
Page number 237
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Kath. x

If the 1911 census posted by Kathleen is the correct one, there are two possibilities for George in 1891:


George Jones
in the 1891 Wales Census
Name: George Jones
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Rebecca Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Pontnewynydd, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Trevethin
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Pontnewynydd
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: 9 Mill Road
Registration district: Pontypool
Sub registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 4362
Folio: 53
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Rebecca Jones 38
George Jones 17 - coal miner
John Jones 14
Elizah Jones 9 - [ Elijah, a son, on image]
David Rowlands 25 - lodger


George Jones
in the 1891 Wales Census
Name: George Jones
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Jones
Mother's name: Elizabeth Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Pontnewynydd, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Trevethin
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Pontnewynydd
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: 21 Railway Parade
Registration district: Pontypool
Sub registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 4362
Folio: 65
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
William Jones 44
Elizabeth Jones 43
George Jones 17 - roller (ironworks)
John Jones 15
Esther Jones 10
Frederick Jones 6


You might need to buy the marriage cert (posted above by Kathleen) to see George's occupation, and his father's name.
His address might also be helpful.
And witnesses' names might provide clues.

In case it's relevant - this is the second of those families in 1881:

George Jones
in the 1881 Wales Census
Name: George Jones
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Jones
Mother's name: Eliza Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Trevethin, Monmouth, Wales
Civil Parish: Trevethin
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: Railway Ter
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Pontypool
Sub registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5251
Folio: 69
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
William Jones 33
Mary A. Jones 11
George Jones 8
John Jones 4
Annie Jones 2
Sarah Jones
Eliza Jones 32 - wife



EDIT:

And the first family, with mother Rebecca:


George Jones
in the 1881 Wales Census
Name: George Jones
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Jones
Mother's name: Rebecca Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Trevethin, Monmouth, Wales
Civil Parish: Trevethin
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: Church Road
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Pontypool
Sub registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5251
Folio: 84
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
John Jones 31
Rebecca Jones 29
George Jones 7
John Jones 4
Fanny L. Jones 2

Thanks so much for your help, this is fantastic!!

If George has given the correct DOB on the 1939 register, this may be him in 1881


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
High Street, Trevethin with Pontypool, Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales

Sarah Jones Wife Head Widow Female 38 1843 Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales Shopkeeper (Gen)
Charles J Jones Son Single Male 12 1869 Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales Scholar
James William Jones Son Single Male 11 1870 Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales Scholar
George Jones Son Single Male 8 1873 Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales Scholar
Llewellyn Jones Son Single Male 4 1877 Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales Scholar
Henry Williams Lodger Single Male 17 1864 - Goods Porter

If Sarah was indeed unmarried when George was born, it doesn't look as if that can be the right family - unless her maiden name was also Jones:


James Wm Jones
in the 1871 Wales Census
Name: James Wm Jones
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Jones
Mother's name: Sarah Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Pontypool
Ecclesiastical parish: Trevethin
Town: Pontypool
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Pontypool
Sub-registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 326
Piece: 5331
Folio: 99
Page Number: 57
Household Members:
Name Age
John Jones 38
Sarah Jones 28
Charles Jno Jones 2
James Wm Jones 1



EDIT:

JONES, CHARLES JOHN mms HILL Order
GRO Reference: 1868 S Quarter in PONTYPOOL Volume 11A Page 127

Marriages Sep 1867 (>99%)
Hill Sarah Abergavenny 11a 93
JONES John Abergavenny 11a 93

JONES, GEORGE HILL Order
GRO Reference: 1872 J Quarter in PONTYPOOL Volume 11A Page 158 Order

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
High Street, Trevethin with Pontypool, Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales

Sarah Jones Head Widow Female 48 1843 Monmouthshire, Wales -
Charles John Jones Son Single Male 22 1869 Monmouthshire, Wales Labourer
George Jones Son Single Male 18 1873 Monmouthshire, Wales Labourer
Llewellyn Jones Son Single Male 14 1877 Monmouthshire, Wales Labourer
William Williams Lodger Married Male 55 1836 Carmarthenshire, Wales Labourer
William Micham Lodger Single Male 18 1873 Gloucestershire, England Labourer

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
22, Unthank Street, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
George Jones Head Married Male 27 1874 Wales Sheet Roller At Ironworks Transcription
Thirza Jones Wife Married Female 24 1877 Wales - Transcription
Agnes Jones Daughter Single Female 4 1897 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England -

In the same area as George as posted above

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Butlers Row, Broad Street, Trevethin with Pontypool, Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Henry Edwards Head Married Male 49 1842 - Labourer Transcription
Emily Edwards Wife Married Female 44 1847 Gloucestershire, England - Transcription
Thomas Hy Edwards Son Married Male 22 1869 Gloucestershire, England Coal Miner Transcription
Richard Edwards Son Married Male 19 1872 - Haulier Transcription
Emily Edwards Daughter Single Female 17 1874 - Machinist Transcription
Agnes Edwards Daughter Single Female 15 1876 - Machinist Transcription
Thirza Edwards Daughter Single Female 14 1877 Gloucestershire, England Scholar Transcription
George Edwards Son Single Male 11 1880 - Scholar Transcription
Elizabeth Edwards Daughter Single Female 10 1881 Monmouthshire, Wales Scholar Transcription
Eliza Edwards Daughter Single Female 6 1885 Monmouthshire, Wales Scholar Transcription


Birth of above

EDWARDS Thirza JAMES 1876 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 34 183


And baptism

Name: Thirza Edwards
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 8 Oct 1876
Baptism Place: Bream, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: Bream, St James
Father: Henry Edwards
Mother: Emily Edwards

Parents' marriage

Name: Henry Edwards
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 21
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1844
Marriage Date: 17 Dec 1865
Marriage Place: West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Father: John Farr - Farmer
Spouse: Emily James

Name: Emily James
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 20
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1845
Marriage Date: 17 Dec 1865
Marriage Place: West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Adam James - Woodcutter

Witnesses Adam James and Thirza James

As ArgyllGran has already said, the marriage certificate for George and Thirza is definitely needed to correctly identify your George Jones.

For reference posted above...

Chris :)

Monmouthshire Marriages and Banns Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Thirza
Last name Edwards
Age 20
Birth year 1875
Year 1895
Event Marriage
Marriage year 1895
Marriage date 26 Dec 1895
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Jones
Place Abersychan
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Spouse's first name(s) George (Bachelor, occ. Engine Driver)
Spouse's last name Jones
Spouse's age 23
Spouse's father's first name(s) William (occ. Engine Driver)
Spouse's father's last name Jones
(her Father, Henry Edwards (Deceased) Labourer. Wits. George Brain, Emily Edwards)

Ah, well, in that case we can discount all the Georges we've suggested, apart from the one with father William and mother Eliza(beth).

1881 and 1891 censuses already posted but copied again here for ease of reference;

George Jones
in the 1881 Wales Census
Name: George Jones
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Jones
Mother's name: Eliza Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Trevethin, Monmouth, Wales
Civil Parish: Trevethin
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: Railway Ter
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Pontypool
Sub registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5251
Folio: 69
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
William Jones 33
Mary A. Jones 11
George Jones 8
John Jones 4
Annie Jones 2
Sarah Jones
Eliza Jones 32 - wife


George Jones
in the 1891 Wales Census
Name: George Jones
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Jones
Mother's name: Elizabeth Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Pontnewynydd, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Trevethin
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Pontnewynydd
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: 21 Railway Parade
Registration district: Pontypool
Sub registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 4362
Folio: 65
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
William Jones 44
Elizabeth Jones 43
George Jones 17 - roller (ironworks)
John Jones 15
Esther Jones 10
Frederick Jones 6

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
9, Butlers Row, Trevethin with Pontypool, Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Henry Edwards Head Married Male 40 1841 Abersychan, Monmouthshire, Wales Coaker Steel Transcription
Emily Edwards Wife Married Female 35 1846 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England - Transcription
Mary E Edwards Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Scholar Transcription
Thomas H Edwards Son Single Male 12 1869 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Scholar Transcription
Richard Edwards Son Single Male 9 1872 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Scholar Transcription
Emily Edwards Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Scholar Transcription
Alice Edwards Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Scholar Transcription
Thora Edwards Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Scholar Transcription
George Edwards Son Single Male 1 1880 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England -



From the free site GlosBMD


EDWARDS Emily JAMES 1870 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 26 70
EDWARDS Keziah JAMES 1870 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 27 82
EDWARDS Mary Elizabeth JAMES 1866 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 22 247
EDWARDS Thomas Henry JAMES 1869 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 25 22
EDWARDS Emily JAMES 1873 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 30 164
EDWARDS Richard JAMES 1872 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 28 324
EDWARDS Agness JAMES 1875 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 32 330 (probably ALICE on census)

Baptisms

Record
Mary Elizabeth Edwards
2 Dec 1866 Forest of Dean, Christchurch Henry,
Emily

Thirza Edwards
8 Oct 1876 Bream Henry,
Emily

Kerzia Edwards
18 Dec 1870 Bream Henry,
Emily