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Well, unfortunately!...(not sure!, lol) if no occupation for his Father on that 1858 Marriage Cert., you don't have a lot to work with, and that would be if his Father was still living, and had same occ...

As said unless any other info. can be found at Archives, could remain a mystery...

Chris :)

(Mary seems ok Herts. side, lol, but that's no help to you with William)

pm received:-

I am still uncertain if this John Butler and Ann Wernham are definitely William's parents. How could I go about verifying this, or finding out more to work out they are not our William's parents.? Some are listing John and anne darwin as his parents and uncertain about them as well.? I do appreciate all the help that everyone is offering. Thankyou.

Oh dear, lol, sort of 'everything, except the kitchen sink' as the saying goes!, and nothing to help with Father John...

Chris :)

(think you need Passenger details, but where, NSW?, seeing below posted earlier)

"He came from Birmingham at the age of 15 and landed in Sydney"...


https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/keyname

(above sometimes useful)


https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y

(Newspapers above often throw up the odd snippet)

We have no wayat present in identifying who William's parents were, except that his father was named john on his marriaage certificate and mary bowen's father was John Bowen. Mary Bowen's hospital records stated that she was from middlesex,London and also mentioned hertfordshire. her sister Harriett Trott had received a letter on the news of mary Butler's death from a neighbour, addressed to Watford, UK. We have since found John and catherine Bowen in census in watford. james trott mentioned ellen Eldridge, daughter of Caleb Bowen, in his will and also Lionel Bowen of Epping and Gertrude Occlee of nuneaton.

Thank you to everyone for your responses. marriage certificate is not very informative.It just says was living 'on The Gilbert', river I presume, which ran through anstey & Giles Pastoral Leases near Riverton. married in Holy Trinity Anglican church at Riverton on 28 june 1858. A daughter , then son's birth certificate in Victoria, Australia, listed as a Miner, born at Birmingham and a 1936 Primary school essay stated william , 'He came from Birmingham at the age of 15 and landed in Sydney. As a young man he worked in various places and eventually was employed by George Penton, manager of Penton vale station [Yorke Peninsula, for Thomas Giles].He met his wife at Gilbert Station,which [also] belonged to anstey & Giles.After he married he went away to the Melbourne diggings.[Vaughan 1864 where William jnr born,, and Bald Hill 1861 where Harriett born , Victoria]. In about four years he returned, and was working on Gum Flat Station in 1864, as a boundary rider. In 1868 he lost his wife. He came down with the first mob of sheep to Gum Flat station [1847]. He died in january1881.'
Although a death certificate has not been found, we have located an artlcle in a SA Police Gazette for a Coroner's inquest informing that William butler died on penton vale station on 18 January 1881 from appoplexy.
An older son, john james butler was born on marocara, near Riverton on 20th April 1859. John James was my husband's great grandfather, and father of Henry John Butler RFC, AFC, pioneer aviator, and Thomas james butler farmer of Minlaton, and Ann-Maria of Riverland , South Australia.

Does that Marriage Cert. give any other info. for Father John?...(occupation, or Deceased etc.)

Chris :)

Yes, saw that one Mary, was NSW...but thought it should be perhaps S. Australia? (not that I know though, lol)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorke_Peninsula

The Yorke Peninsula is a peninsula located north-west and west of Adelaide in South Australia,

(or did he arrive elsewhere, and then settle there?)

Chris :)

(must be something at Archives)

Nottingham Assizes 27/6/1836 William Butler 18 got 7years transportation for larceny.

William of Nottingham arrived aboard ship Prince George 8/5/1837 he was a Lace Maker larceny stealing Rum.

Maryb.

Do you have Passenger details?...

Chris :)

http://www.samemory.sa.gov.au/site/page.cfm?c=7296

(Thomas Giles.
...Giles arrived in South Australia with his parents, in October 1837)

Could this be the death of the William from Walkeringham?

First name(s) William
Last name Butler
Age 19
Birth year 1826
Death year 1845
Burial year 1845
Burial date 13 Jun 1845
Church St Mary Magdalene
Denomination Anglican
Place Walkeringham
County Nottinghamshire

That Reference, Walkeringham...(saw below about also)

Chris :)

County Nottinghamshire
Place Walkeringham
Church name St Mary Magdalene
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 41
Marriage date 14 May 1825
Groom forename John
Groom surname BUTLER
Groom condition bachelor
Groom parish Gringley on the Hill
Bride forename Anne
Bride surname DARWIN
Bride condition spinster
Bride parish Walkeringham
Witness Ann BUTLER
Witness Wm MORRIS
Register note By banns


Baptism
County Nottinghamshire
Place Walkeringham
Church name St Mary Magdalene
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 193
Baptism date 18 Sep 1825
Person forename William
Person sex M
Person abode Walkeringham
Father forename John
Father surname BUTLER
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Anne


Baptism
County Nottinghamshire
Place Walkeringham
Church name St Mary Magdalene
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 351
Baptism date 05 Apr 1835
Person forename John
Person abode Walkeringham
Father forename John
Father surname BUTLER
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Anne

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

You're right ErikaH, have deleted my post. Got a bit confused there.

I wouldn't think that death was someone alive in 1841 - did you mean to suggest it connected with the baptism?

???????????
William Butler

View New South Wales, Australia, Tickets of Leave, 1810-186

Name: William Butler
Immigration Year: 1838
Ticket Date: 16 Nov 1841
Ticket Place: New South Wales, Australia
Vessel: Gaillardon

This one was born in Birmingham. Will see if I can follow him through.

First name(s) William
Last name Butler
Gender Male
Birth year 1823
Birth place -
Baptism year 1823
Baptism date 18 Aug 1823
Place Birmingham
County Warwickshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Richard
Father's last name Butler
Mother's first name(s) Hannah
Mother's last name -

His marraige certificate and two of his children's birth certificates state that Birmingham was either his birthplace or his last residence in UK, plus an essay written by ag-grandson in 1936 says this also. "He came from Birmingham to New South Wales as a lad of 15"

If the tree is correct then I would suggest this for his family in 1841
(note William is not with them)

Name: John Butler
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1801
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Walkeringham
Hundred: Bassetlaw (North Clay Division)
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation: Ag.Lab.
Registration district: Gainsborough
Sub-registration district: Misterton
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 852
Book: 11
Folio: 10
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
John Butler 40
Ann Butler 35
Mary Butler 12
Eliza Butler 10
Elizabeth Butler 8
John Butler 6
Hannah Butler 3
Sarah Butler 1
Charles Butler 3 Mo


................what makes you think that he was from Birmingham?

the tree on ancestry also shows a notice in a newspaper that gives this as his baptisme

Name: William Butler
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 18 Sep 1825
Baptism Place: Walkeringham,Nottingham,England
Father: John Butler
Mother: Anne
FHL Film Number: 0462987 EXTR., 462987, 504067, 504540

a tree on ancestry show this for him:-

Birth: 1824 - England
Marriage: 28 Jun 1858 - Riverton, south australia
Death: Jan 1881 - Yorketown, South Australia, Australia
Parents: John Butler, Ann Wernham
Spouse: Mary Bowen


John Butler
1781–1877

Ann Wernham
1786–

Spouse
Mary Bowen
1829–1868

John James Butler 1859–1941
Harriet Butler 1861–1936
William Butler 1864–1949

Spouse
Anne Darwin
1804–1873

Reference 1858 Marriage below.

Chris :)

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=579491.0

Mary Bowen born 1829 in Edgeware, Middlesex lived much of early life in hertfordshire in and around Watford. She was baptised in Elstree. Parents were John and catherine Bowen. John Bowen was an agricultural labourer. They were listed as living in Caldicott Hill, Aldenham wood, Bushey, I would love to know more about these areas from 1829 to 1880's when mary's parents lived in watford. Can you help.
Mary came to Australia in 1855 and married William Butler in Riverton's Holy Trinity Church in 1858.


http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=579486.0

(also on above with possible 1841 found for him, and looks to be further help offered)


http://enacademic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/7344569

(George Alexander Anstey)


When was Death of William?...