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15 Feb 2018 22:48 |
I remember being told that there was a family connection in Fleetwood- possibly through the Johns ( of Llanddewi Velfrey Pembs). Some information connects a Mary Georgina Munro Johns (nee Gibson) who died on the 14th December 1937. In the 1901 census she is 12 years of age. I have a beautiful photograph and I would like to establish what the connection is. Can anyone help me please?
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KathleenBell
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16 Feb 2018 00:19 |
This is her marriage:-
First name(s) MARY G M Last name GIBSON Marriage quarter 4 Marriage year 1919 Registration month - MarriageFinderâ„¢ MARY G M GIBSON married George H Johns Spouse's last name Johns District Fylde District number - County Lancashire Country England Volume 8E Volume as transcribed 8E Page number 1904 Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
The marriage certificate should name George's father (if he knew him).
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16 Feb 2018 00:30 |
Is this her in 1911?
Mary G M Gibson in the 1911 England Census Name: Mary G M Gibson Age in 1911: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1889 Relation to Head: Stepdaughter Birth Place: Fleetwood, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Fleetwood Street address: 3 Mount Road Fleetwood Marital Status: Single Occupation: Private Means
Household Members:
Margery Gibson 48 . head. widow Martha A C Gibson 23 . stepdaughter Mary G M Gibson 22 . stepdaughter Doris B Gibson 16 , daughter Violet H Gibson 11 . daughter
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MargaretM
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16 Feb 2018 00:36 |
And in 1891:
Mary G M Gibson in the 1891 England Census Name: Mary G M Gibson Age: 2 Relationship: Daughter Birth Year: 1889 Father: James Rd Gibson Mother: Mary G Gibson Birth Place: Fleetwood, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Thornton Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Residence Place: Fleetwood, Thornton, Lancashire, England
Household Members:
James Rd Gibson 41 Mary G Gibson 31 Martha A C Gibson 3 Mary G M Gibson 2 Isabella Wright 14 , servant
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Chris Ho :)
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16 Feb 2018 06:59 |
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1919
GIBSON Mary Georgina Munro JOHNS George Herbert Blackpool, Methodist Church (Raikes Parade)
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php
Chris:)
(if below relates)
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1921
JOHNS Margaret Mary GIBSON Blackpool North Blackpool BN/2/23
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ErikaH
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16 Feb 2018 10:18 |
1939 Royal Allen Institution Ashton Road , Lancaster M.B., Lancashire, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) ROLE DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER Leslie Gibson Johns Patient 10 Sep 1930 Male Inmate Single 2 176
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ErikaH
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16 Feb 2018 10:31 |
Name: George Herbert Johns Gender: Male Birth Date: abt 1897 Age: 18 Document Year: 1915 Residence Place: 1 Mount Road, Fleetwood Regimental Number: 10542 Regiment Name: Royal Fusiliers Form Title: Short Service Attestation Number of Images: 22 Other Records: Search for 'George Herbert Johns' in other WWI collections Family Members: Name Relation to Soldier George Herbert Johns Self (Head) Mary Johns Mother Civilian occupation : Bank Clerk Birthplace: St Ives, Cornwall
Name: George Herbert Johns Age in 1911: 14 Estimated birth year: abt 1897 Relation to Head: Son Gender: Male Birth Place: St Ives, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: Rugby County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Kelston Rugby Marital Status: Single Occupation: School Registration district: Rugby Registration District Number: 391 Sub-registration district: Rugby ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Piece: 18599 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Johns 45 George Herbert Johns 14 Alfred Edward Johns 10 born Lostwithiel, Cornwall Joseph Tredinnick Johns 7 born Barnard Castle, Co Durham Eliza Jane Barton 18
Name: George Herbert Johns Gender: Male Baptism Date: 8 Feb 1897 Baptism Place: St. Ives, Cornwall, England Father: Joseph Johns Mother: Mary FHL Film Number: 1796108
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ErikaH
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16 Feb 2018 10:34 |
JOHNS, GEORGE HERBERT (MMN) PHILLIPS GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in PENZANCE Volume 05C Page 221
Marriages Jun 1895 (>99%) Johns Joseph Newton A. 5b 309 Phillips Mary Newton A. 5b 309
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ErikaH
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16 Feb 2018 10:36 |
Name: Joseph Johns Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1866 Relation to Head: Visitor Gender: Male Birth Place: Probus, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: Probus Search Photos: Search for 'Probus' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Ecclesiastical parish: Probus Town: Probus County/Island: Cornwall Country: Englande Registration district: Truro Sub-registration district: Probus ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2216 Folio: 14 Page Number: 1 Household schedule number: 5 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Johns 71 Rosina S Johns 68 William Johns 36 Joseph Johns 35 George H Johns 4
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ErikaH
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16 Feb 2018 10:37 |
No sign yet of a Welsh connection
1871 Name: Joseph Johns Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1866 Relation: Son Father's name: Thomas Johns Mother's name: Rosina Johns Gender: Male Where born: Probus, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: Probus County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Registration district: Truro Sub-registration district: Probus ED, institution, or vessel: 2b Household schedule number: 10 Piece: 2272 Folio: 17 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Johns 41 Rosina Johns 38 Emily Johns 39 Thomas Johns 8 William Johns 6 Joseph Johns 5 Alfred Johns 3 George Johns 1 Eliza Stribly 26 Rosina Johns 10
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ErikaH
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16 Feb 2018 10:38 |
Name: Thomas Johns Registration Year: 1859 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district: Truro Inferred County: Cornwall Volume: 5c Page: 243 Records on Page: Name William Holman Thomas Johns Mary Ann Oates Rosina Symons Sampson
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ErikaH
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16 Feb 2018 10:39 |
Name: Rosanna Symons Sampson Gender: Female Baptism Date: 21 Oct 1832 Baptism Place: Breage,Cornwall,England Father: George Sampson Mother: Mary
Name: Rosina Sampson Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1833 Relation: Daughter Father's name: George Sampson Mother's name: Mary Sampson Gender: Female Where born: Breage, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: St Levan Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Penzance Sub-registration district: St Just ED, institution, or vessel: 2a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 44 Piece: 1919 Folio: 460 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age George Sampson 58 Mary Sampson 57 William Sampson 28 Richard Sampson 26 Jane Sampson 21 Rosina Sampson 18 John Sampson 15 Thomas Sampson 13
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16 Feb 2018 10:51 |
I wondered if George married again after Mary's death:
First name(s) GEORGE H Last name JOHNS Marriage quarter 2 Marriage year 1938 Spouse: Barbara E Feather District Blackpool County Lancashire Volume 8E Page number 1574 -----------------------------------
Possible death for George:
First name(s) GEORGE H Last name JOHNS Gender Male Birth year 1897 Age 41 Death quarter 4 Death year 1938 District Blackpool County Lancashire Volume 8E Page 687 --------------------------------------------
Barbara in 1939:
Clovelly Avenue , Blackpool C.B., Lancashire, England
Arthur Reginald Feather 11 Feb 1874 Male Jeweller Retired Married Laura Elizabeth Feather 02 Aug 1879 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married Barbara Edith Herman (Johns) 21 Oct 1907 Female Musician Widowed
(Barbara later married Jozef W Herman in 1942 Blackpool) ------------------------------------------------
Probate: Name: George Herbert Johns Death Date: 2 Nov 1938 Death Place: Blackpool, Lancashire, England Probate Date: 9 Jan 1939 Registry: Exeter
JOHNS George Herbert of 12 Clovelly Avenue, Norbreck, Blackpool died 2 November 1938 Probate Exeter 9 January to Francis Leslie Johns and Walter Hubert Hughes bank officials. Effects £457 -------------------------------------
Francis looks to be his brother:
JOHNS, FRANCIS LESLIE (Mother's maiden name: PHILLIPS) GRO Reference: 1908 J Quarter in WALSALL Volume 06B Page 730
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ErikaH
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16 Feb 2018 12:39 |
Name: Francis Leslie Johns Age in 1911: 3 Estimated birth year: abt 1908 Relation to Head: Visitor Gender: Male Birth Place: Pelsall, Staffordshire Civil Parish: Probus Search Photos: Search for 'Probus' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street address: Gummon, Probus, Cornwall Registration district: Truro Registration District Number: 296 Sub-registration district: Probus ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 2 Piece: 13806 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Henry Johns 48 Mary Reed Johns 41 Mary Pearl Johns 15 Thomas Henry Johns 13 Elsie Margaret Johns 12 Edward Ernest Johns 8 Ruby May Johns 4 William Hollen Johns 3 Dorothy Irene Johns 6/12 Mary Johns 38 Francis Leslie Johns 3 Albert Mewton 18
All born Probus, Cornwall, apart from Francis and the servant, Albert Mewton
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Frances
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16 Feb 2018 12:45 |
How helpful! Thank you so much. I wonder if anyone can join the dots for me. I am descended from Daniel and Mary John(Johns) who in the 1851 census were living at Plasnewydd Llanddewi Velfrey. Their daughter Louisa was my great great grandmother. My mother knew of a family connection in Fleetwood and indeed there is a photo of Daniel - at a guess in his 70's taken in a studio in Fleetwood. I have found a wonderful studio photo ( again from Fleetwood) of a man and his wife-( at a guess in their 60's or 70's) with 7 young adults ( grandchildren?)- at a guess in their twenties. The young people clearly descend from two if not three different sets of parents but all are expensively dressed and seem at home in their clothing. The person Mary Georgina Munro Gibson may be among them and obviously there is a reason why the photo was in our house. I am trying to establish a link to my ancestors and I would be very grateful if anyone could help me further. With thanks
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ErikaH
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16 Feb 2018 13:00 |
For birth year info
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Plasnewydd, Llandewy Velfrey, Narberth, Pembrokeshire, Wales Learn more
Print transcription View image Add to tree Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Daniel John Head Married Male 32 1819 Tailor Pembrokeshire, Wales Transcription Mary John Wife Married Female 35 1816 - Pembrokeshire, Wales Transcription John John Son - Male 8 1843 Scholar Pembrokeshire, Wales Transcription Ann John Daughter - Female 3 1848 At Home Pembrokeshire, Wales Transcription Louisa John Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Pembrokeshire, Wales
Who did Louisa marry?
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ErikaH
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16 Feb 2018 13:02 |
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Pantey, Llanddewi Velfrey, Narberth, Pembrokeshire, Wales
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Daniel John Head Married Male 42 1819 Tailor Llanddewi Velfrey, Pembrokeshire, Wales Transcription Mary John Wife Married Female 45 1816 - Llanddewi Velfrey, Pembrokeshire, Wales Transcription Louisa John Daughter Unmarried Female 11 1850 - Llanddewi Velfrey, Pembrokeshire, Wales Transcription William John Son Unmarried Male 8 1853 Scholar Llanddewi Velfrey, Pembrokeshire, Wales Transcription David John Son Unmarried Male 6 1855 Scholar Llanddewi Velfrey, Pembrokeshire, Wales Transcription Jane John Daughter Unmarried Female 3 1858 - -
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Frances
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16 Feb 2018 13:04 |
How helpful! Thank you so much. I wonder if anyone can join the dots for me. I am descended from Daniel and Mary John(Johns) who in the 1851 census were living at Plasnewydd Llanddewi Velfrey. Their daughter Louisa was my great great grandmother. My mother knew of a family connection in Fleetwood and indeed there is a photo of Daniel - at a guess in his 70's taken in a studio in Fleetwood. I have found a wonderful studio photo ( again from Fleetwood) of a man and his wife-( at a guess in their 60's or 70's) with 7 young adults ( grandchildren?)- at a guess in their twenties. The young people clearly descend from two if not three different sets of parents but all are expensively dressed and seem at home in their clothing. The person Mary Georgina Munro Gibson may be among them and obviously there is a reason why the photo was in our house. I am trying to establish a link to my ancestors and I would be very grateful if anyone could help me further. With thanks
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ErikaH
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16 Feb 2018 13:08 |
JOHN, LOUISA REES Order GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in NARBERTH Volume 26 Page 641
Name: Daniel John Age: 72 Estimated birth year: abt 1819 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary John Gender: Male Where born: Llanddewi Velfrey, Pembrokeshire, Wales Civil Parish: Llanfynydd Ecclesiastical parish: Llanfynydd Town: Esgair County/Island: Carmarthenshire Country: Wales Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Llandilofawr Sub registration district: Llanfynydd ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4509 Folio: 13 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age Daniel John 72 Mary John 75 Louisa Morris 41 Mary John 20 Elizabeth John 19 Elizabeth Jones 47
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Frances
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16 Feb 2018 13:15 |
Louisa married Thomas Morris of Ffairfach Llandeilo. They had one daughter Annie who married John Daniel rees. Their daughter Ethel May married David Davies ( my grandparents) Their daughter Louise Maureen married Bryn Samways ( my parents) . Thanks
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