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Erika - Re: "I don't think you'll find that the mother's maiden name is recorded on a baptism in England"

Well it's not usual, but...

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
Baptism: 19 Mar 1820 St John RC, Wigan, Lancs.
Elizabeth Pilkinton - Daughter of James Pilkinton & Catherine (formerly Bamber)
Born: 16 Mar 1820
God Parents: Wm. Baron; Ann Rigby
Register: Baptisms 1805 - 1822, Page 273
Source: Original register at LRO

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Marriages Jun 1839 (>99%)
BENSON William Whitehaven 25 146
DOUGLAS Isabella Whitehaven 25 146

BENSON, WILLIAM DOUGLAS Order
GRO Reference: 1845 D Quarter in DURHAM AND LANCHESTER Volume 24 Page 84

England, Durham Diocese B...'s Transcripts, 1639-1919 > Durham > Kelloe > 1762-1852 > Image 512 of 723
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DZW3-Q4N?i=508&wc=9K5M-T3D%3A13618101%2C28349502%2C28349503&cc=1309819
[Coxhoe was in St Mary Kelloe parish]

https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd
In particular
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/

Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
ASH Sarah Ann EVANS 1838 Cirencester Cirencester, Fairford 1 133
ASH John EVANS 1839 Cirencester Cirencester, Fairford 1 424
ASH Maria MEEK 1841 Cirencester Cirencester, Fairford 2 257
ASH Edwin MEEK 1841 Cirencester Cirencester, Fairford 2 258
ASH Mary Ann EVANS 1843 Cirencester Cirencester, Fairford 3 70
ASH Maria EVANS 1846 Cirencester Cirencester, Fairford 4 200
ASH Harriet EVANS 1847 Cirencester Cirencester, Fairford 5 19
ASH Joseph MEEK 1849 Cirencester Cirencester, Fairford 5 309
ASH Lucy Ann MEEK 1854 Cirencester Cirencester, Fairford 7 318


Surname Given Names Age Year Died District Register Entry
ASH Maria 1m 1841 Cirencester, Fairford 2 24
ASH Mary 1d 1844 Cirencester, Fairford 2 445
ASH Maria 8m 1847 Cirencester, Fairford 3 261

My pleasure...............

Some of the information I have already but a lot I do not have so need to go though the information given. Cannot thank you enough.
helina

Name: James Ash
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 24
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1834
Marriage Date: 10 Apr 1858
Marriage Place: Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Joseph Ash
Spouse: Jane Tilling - father Jonathan

So James was the stepfather of the girl who married his brother George...................!!!!

1871

Name: George Ash
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Ash
Gender: Male
Where born: Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Ampney Crucis
Town: Ampney Crucis
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Cirencester
Sub-registration district: Fairford
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 89
Piece: 2648
Folio: 20
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
George Ash 26
Jane Ash 24
George Ash 2
Emily J Ash 1 Month


1861
Name: Jane S Telling
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: James Ash
Mother's name: Jane Ash
Gender: Female
Where born: Ashbrook, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: North Cerney
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Cirencester
Sub-registration district: Cotswold
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Piece: 1781
Folio: 91
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
James Ash 27
Jane Ash 32
Jane S Telling 11
James Russell 18


1851

Name: Jane Telling
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Ampney Crucis, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Ampney Crucis
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Cirencester
Sub-registration district: Cotswold
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 4
Piece: 1968
Folio: 567
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Telling 43
Jonathan Telling 36
Stephen Telling 34
Mary Telling 26
Ann Telling 6
Jane Telling 1
Martha Telling 2
Sarah Telling 2
Edward Shill 45

1871

Name: George Ash
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Ash
Gender: Male
Where born: Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Ampney Crucis
Town: Ampney Crucis
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Cirencester
Sub-registration district: Fairford
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 89
Piece: 2648
Folio: 20
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
George Ash 26
Jane Ash 24
George Ash 2
Emily J Ash 1 Month


1861
Name: Jane S Telling
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: James Ash
Mother's name: Jane Ash
Gender: Female
Where born: Ashbrook, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: North Cerney
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Cirencester
Sub-registration district: Cotswold
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Piece: 1781
Folio: 91
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
James Ash 27
Jane Ash 32
Jane S Telling 11
James Russell 18


1851

Name: Jane Telling
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Ampney Crucis, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Ampney Crucis
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image
Registration district: Cirencester
Sub-registration district: Cotswold
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 4
Piece: 1968
Folio: 567
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Telling 43
Jonathan Telling 36
Stephen Telling 34
Mary Telling 26
Ann Telling 6
Jane Telling 1
Martha Telling 2
Sarah Telling 2
Edward Shill 45

Confirming the marriage suggested above by Chris Ho

Name: George Ash
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 22
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1845
Marriage Date: 26 Oct 1867
Marriage Place: Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: Ampney, St Mary
Father: Joseph Ash
Spouse: Jane Spring Telling

The Ash children are full siblings

Thank you folks, I honestly did not think you would sort it out, had not looked into Ellen Evans family. So Ellen's mother Sarah married a Thomas Meek in 1815, so Meek and Evans surname got mixed up and the children are siblings?

This MAY be Ellen's mother's baptism

Name: Sarah Evans
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 6 Oct 1792
Baptism Date: 27 Dec 1792
Baptism Place: Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Thomas Evans
Mother: Sarah Evans

1851

Name: Eliza Mille
[Elija Mills]
[Elijah Mills]
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Mille
Where born: Maiseyhampton, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Ampney St Peter
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Cirencester
Sub-registration district: Cotswold
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 42
Piece: 1968
Folio: 563
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza Mille 35
Elizabeth Mille 30
Ann Mille 7
Hester Mille 4
Fanny Mille 2

Elizabeth's husband and one of her brothers

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Crown Inn, Ampney Crucis, Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Elijah Mills Male 20 1821 - Transcription
John Meek Male 15 1826 Gloucestershire, England

Elizabeth Mills on 1841 is a daughter of Thomas and Sarah - this is her marriage

Name: Elizabeth Meek
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: Full Age
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 18 May 1841
Marriage Place: Ampney Crucis, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Thomas Meek
Spouse: Elijah Mills

Thomas and Sarah's children - Ellen's half siblings



Elizabeth Meek
28 May 1820 Ampney St Peter Thomas,
Sarah
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Esther Meek
15 Jul 1827 Ampney St Peter Thomas,
Sarah
View Record

John Meek
21 Sep 1823 Ampney St Peter Thomas,
Sarah
View Record

Joseph Meek
30 Jan 1825 Ampney St Peter Thomas,
Sarah
View Record

Maria Meek
31 Mar 1822 Ampney St Peter Thomas,
Sarah
View Record

Mary Meek
3 Mar 1816 Ampney St Peter Thomas,
Sarah
View Record

Thomas Meek
17 Mar 1822 Ampney St Peter Thomas,
Sarah

could this be relevant
Mary
Last name Meek
Birth year -
Marriage year 1814
Spouse's first name(s) James
Spouse's last name Ash
Place Ampney Crucis
County Gloucestershire
Country England
Source Boyd's marriage index, 1538-1850
Record set England, Boyd's Marriage Indexes, 1538-1850
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Illiot End, Ampney Crucis, Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Thomas Meek Male 50 1791 Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Sarah Meek Female 50 1791 Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Sarah Meek Female 20 1821 Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Thomas Meek Male 15 1826 Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Esther Meek Female 14 1827 Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Elizabeth Mills Female 20 1821 Gloucestershire, England

Name: Ellen Evans
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 16 Nov 1811
Baptism Date: 19 Apr 1812
Baptism Place: Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England
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Mother: Sarah Evans

Ellen was illegitimate - perhaps her mother married a Mr Meek? That would be one possible explanation..............

EDIT

Yes, she did

Name: Sarah Evans
Gender: Female
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 26 Sep 1815
Marriage Place: Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England
Spouse: Thomas Meek

ASH Maria EVANS 1846 Cirencester Cirencester, Fairford 4 200
ASH Mary Ann EVANS 1843 Cirencester Cirencester, Fairford 3 70
ASH John EVANS 1839 Cirencester Cirencester, Fairford 1 424
ASH Sarah Ann EVANS 1838 Cirencester Cirencester, Fairford 1 133


ASH Edwin MEEK 1841 Cirencester Cirencester, Fairford 2 258
ASH Maria MEEK 1841 Cirencester Cirencester, Fairford 2 257
ASH Joseph MEEK 1849 Cirencester Cirencester, Fairford 5 309

Name: Joseph Ash
Gender: Male
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 15 Jun 1831
Marriage Place: Ampney St Peter, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: Ampney, St Peter
Spouse: Ellen Evans - spinster
Witnesses: John Archer and Ann Hillier

Name: Lucy Ann Ash
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 19 Mar 1854
Baptism Place: Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Joseph Ash
Mother: Ellen Ash

I don't think you'll find that the mother's maiden name is recorded on a baptism in England


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Cottage, Ampney St Mary, Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Ash Head Married Male 50 1811 Agricultural Labourer Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Ellen Ash Wife Married Female 49 1812 Agricultural Labourer Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England Transcription
George Ash Son Unmarried Male 16 1845 Agricultural Labourer Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Harriett Ash Daughter - Female 14 1847 Agricultural Labourer Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Joseph Ash Son - Male 12 1849 - Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Lucy Ann Ash Daughter - Female 6 1855 School Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England Transcription