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Hi
I'm looking for a relative that lived with my nan when she was a young girl...

Rachel Davies born: 19 May 1861 (according to 1939 register).
We believe they moved to Newport from West Wales, most probably Cardigan.

Davies was her married name - according to 1901 census she lived with her husband James Davies and daughter Eleanor (who also moved to Newport).

We're trying to establish her maiden name to make the link between her and my nan's mother - Jane Thomas, born 1895/1896. Jane appears on 1901 and 1911 census with Rachel Davies.

We have looked through marriage records and census etc. Does anyone have any other ideas to find out this information?

Many thanks

What year was Eleanor born? Her mother's maiden name should be found on the GRO index, enabling you to look for a marriage for Rachel and James.

Ahh thank you! Didn't think of that.
She was born 1884

Is this them?

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Station Road, St Dogmells Municipal (Pembroke), Cardigan, Cardiganshire, Wales

James Davies Head Married Male 40 1861 Cardigan, Cardiganshire, Wales Seaman On Merchant Vessel Transcription
Rachel Davies Wife Divorced Female 38 1863 Cardigan, Cardiganshire, Wales -
Eleanor Davies Daughter Divorced Female 17 1884 Cardigan, Cardiganshire, Wales -
Jenny Thomas Adopted Daughter Divorced Female 6 1895 Cardigan, Cardiganshire, Wales -
Joshua Davies Father-In-Law Widower Male 67 1834 Cardiganshire, Wales Coachman Not Domestic

Yes that's it!

We THINK that Rachel's maiden name was Thomas, so Jenny's mother would be a sibling of Rachel. I need more proof though!

Note on the image 1901 there is no mention as per the transcription of "divorced" so that is clearly an error.

Most likely marriage for a James Davies to a Rachel, would be after the birth of Eleanor so she may be reg in mmn ?

Marriages Jun 1887 (>99%)

DAVIES James Cardigan 11b 1

Thomas Rachel Cardigan 11b 1

THOMAS, ELEANOR - Order
GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in CARDIGAN Volume 11B Page 6

1891

Name: Eleanor Davies
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: James Davies
Mother's name: Rachel Davies
Gender: Female
Where born: Cardigan, Cardiganshire, Wales
Civil Parish: St Dogmells
County/Island: Pembrokeshire
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Cardigan
Sub registration district: Cardigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4543
Folio: 110
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
James Davies 29
Rachel Davies 28
Eleanor Davies 6


Andy

No mmn is shown on that birth registration for Eleanor ...... so we assume that it was the same as the child, therefore Thomas

Again, there is no mmn for Jane Thomas ................ which suggests that she was also an illegitimate child

THOMAS, JANE -
GRO Reference: 1895 M Quarter in CARDIGAN Volume 11B Page 9


Possibly the child of a sister of Rachel's?

References below...

Where are they 1911?...

Chris :)

1939 Register (Find My Past)

199 Corporation Road , Newport C.B., Monmouthshire
Rachel Davies 19 May 1861 Female Incapacitated Widowed
Frank Williams 18 Aug 1893 Male Hanterer Mills & Warehouse Steel Sheets Heavy Work Married
Jenny Williams 09 Feb 1896 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Ella Edge (Williams) 24 Nov 1926 Female At School Single
Joan (I) Keefe (Williams) 02 Oct 1929 Female At School Single


Marriages Jun 1919 (>99%)
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Thomas Jane Williams Newport M 11a 728
Williams Frank Thomas Newport M 11a 728


(not seeing a lot Cardiganshire Parish Records FMP)

http://www.newportpast.com/records/index.php

(above sometimes useful, Street Directory)

???

Rachel Davies
in the 1911 Wales Census
Name: Rachel Davies
Age in 1911: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Sister
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Cardiga, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Pembroke St Mary
County/Island: Pembrokeshire
Country: Wales
Street address: Belfield Tempce Hotel Water St Pembroke Dock
Marital Status: Widowed
Registration district: Pembroke
Registration District Number: 601
Sub-registration district: Pembroke
ED, institution, or vessel: 06
Household schedule number: 274
Piece: 33150
Household Members:
Name Age
David Jenkins 48 - head
Herbert G Stone 24 - boarder
Eleanor Jenkins 54 - wife
Margretta M Jenkins 19 - daughter
Gevelym N Jenkins 15 - son
Rachel Davies 47 - sister (in-law ? )
Eleanor Musgrave 26 - niece, married
Charles Musgrave 6/12 - nephew (great-nephew ?)
Jenny Thomas 16 - niece
William E Powell 23 - boarder



Marriages Mar 1910 (>99%)
Musgrave Charles George Pembroke 11a 1771
Thomas Eleanor Pembroke 11a 1771


:
MUSGRAVE, CHARLES JAMES ROGER mms THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1910 D Quarter in PEMBROKE Volume 11A Page 1332

(right you are AG lol, thankyou for that, so below as well)...

(notes on 1911 for Rachel, says Married 1yr, 1 child born, and same given for Eleanor)

Chris :)

Marriages Jun 1911 (>99%)
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Stone Herbert G Pembroke 11a 2147
Thomas Laura E Pembroke 11a 2147

(as said earlier, Certs. would be needed!)


Edits

Pembrokeshire Marriages and Banns Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Herbert George
Last name Stone
Age 24
Birth year 1887
Year 1911
Event Marriage
Marriage year 1911
Marriage date 09 Apr 1911
Father's first name(s) George Samuel (occ. Grocer)
Father's last name Stone
Place Cosheston
County Pembrokeshire
Country Wales
Spouse's first name(s) Laura Ellen
Spouse's last name Thomas
Spouse's age 18
Spouse's father's first name(s) William Henry (occ. Shipwright)
Spouse's father's last name Thomas
(witnesses, Joseph Matthewes, Winifred Mary Thomas, William George Edwards)


Marriages Jun 1892 (>99%)
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Jenkins David Cardigan 11b 21
Thomas Eleanor Cardigan 11b 21

Thanks everyone for your replies so far.
Lots of information that we didn't know.

The main thread we're looking at is as follows:

Jenny/Jane Thomas was my nan's mother. She was adopted and we have no idea of her mother's name (currently waiting for birth certificate - Feb 1895 to confirm).
On marriage certificate, father's name is recorded as David Thomas, master mariner.

1901 census living with "adopted" parents - Rachel Davies we think was Jane's auntie but she was called Granny Davies by my nan, so presumably was regarded as Jenny's adopted mother. Rachel moved to Newport with my nan's mother (recorded in 1939 register)

The only concrete evidence we have is 1901 and 1911 censuses. I can't seem to find any census prior to 1901 with links between Rachel, Eleanor Jenkins (nee Thomas) and a possible mother for Jenny.

I suppose the ultimate aim at the moment is to find a birth record, for Jenny/Jane and then her birth mother and father.

Thanks so much for your help so far. I've tried to include as much as I can!

Sarah

Eleanor Jenkins (nee Thomas) and Rachel's births:

THOMAS, ELEANOR mms DAVIES
GRO Reference: 1857 M Quarter in CARDIGAN Volume 11B Page 11

THOMAS, RACHEL mms DAVIES
GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in CARDIGAN Volume 11B Page 10


I don't see them together on any census apart from 1911 - but by 1871, the first census on which Rachel would appear, Eleanor would have been 14, and possibly working away from her parents' home.

You may have to buy the birth cert of one of them, to find out parents' names, in order to find the family in censuses, to see if there were any other sisters.