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Isn't it maddening when you order a certificate to clarify a situation and it ends up presenting more questions.?

I sympathise, as I had a similar situation. I bought a certificate to clarify a surname, only to find that it was registered with a totally different mother's maiden name, to which I have no known connection :-0

My old thread here...
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/703249

Oh, really expectiated to be somebody else who didn't really know her details. Strange case, guess you may not ever get to the bottom of this one.

Flip

The birth was registered by the mother Alice..

Who actually registered the birth? Just thinking if a grandmother maybe she misunderstood the question...

Could be. Father is down as Samuel but I suppose we will never know for sure, but why put Spencer rather than Williamson.

So definitely the family on 1911

I would perhaps guess that Alice named is actually his grandmother? looking at the ages of children on 1911 Edward could be son of either Lilian , or James??

Hi Nyx

6 Manvers St Stockport

Just back tracking a bit for my own ref, the Jack on 1939 Reg and witness to marriage

Births Jun 1917 (>99%)
Walsh Jack Williamson Stockport 8a 137

What was the address on Edward's birth cert?

Have today received the PDF from GRO.
It is definitely the correct Edward. Right address and father.
Mother is shown as Alice Walsh formerly Spencer.
I did wonder if Alice had given her own mmn instead of her own.
Have looked on GRO for a birth for Alice. Census' state birth c 1876 Stockport. Only one in 1874 with mmn of Patterson. 3 others locally but none with Spencer.
Maybe the Registrar just made a mistake.
Any ideas ?

ArgyllGran

Thanks for posting.

That's a possibility I hadn't thought of. I suppose Alice could have gone out of the area to have the baby but would you if you were going to keep it. Unless of course she said it was somebody else's child.

The other thing that came to mind was that maybe one of the brother's girlfriend's had a baby and the Walsh's took him in. All just guesswork at the moment but all contributions welcome

You should live here in the west of Scotland, about 100 miles north of Glasgow - an icy wind, but bright sunshine, blue sky , and not a speck of snow. For once we've got the best of the deal!


Just a wild thought, with the idea of an affair in mind - maybe it was Alice who had the affair (if Samuel was away during the war ???), and Edward was registered as Williamson ??

Births Dec 1914 (>99%)
Williamson Edward Williamson Chester 8a 688

You're spoiling him! Guess you've got snow as well - we are snowed in with no way out, but then again I shouldn't live in the Cumbrian countryside!

Off outside now to clear my driveway otherwise OH won't be able to get in.
Will let you know details from certificate when it downloads

Have just ordered the certifcate for Edward mmn Spencer. Fingers crossed we get an explanation.

Maybe, and there is another thought - he may not have been their son. My father (youngest in family) had a "brother" a couple of years older than him - he was actually his uncle born to the oldest of my father's sisters. When the "brother" married he named his grandfather as his father as that was what he thought.

Having said that, I've checked for Walsh births with mmn same, but not coming up with anything.

Flip

I think that's the only thing I can do.
I even looked if there was a birth registered on same page with a mmn of Spencer just in case it had been mistranscribed but no.
Maybe an affair ?


Thank you everybody for the help.

Well it all seems to tie in, as the witnesses married in 1939. Wonder if it would be worth getting a copy of the birth certificate you think is Edward - see who father is, and if there is any obvious reason for the mmn being different to the other children?

Erika


Sorry unexpected visitor.

Witnesses were Jack Walsh and Hilda Garside.
Samuel down as labourer.

Flip

I know that Manvers St (Samuel and Jack) 1939 was correct because my brother in law remembered going there and also that Edward and Edna lived in Warren Road.
Edna had told me that years ago because my daughter's friend lives in the same house.
You are correct that the connection to Aunts and Uncles could be misleading. I know for a fact that Jack was a Walsh because Edna's best friend married him (Hilda) and he was a couple of years younger than Edward. the only other Jack born area same time had mmn of Eastwood.
The family tended to stay locally to Heaton Norris and Reddish accroding to my brother in law.
Also just checked with my sister in law and she says that Sarah married Tom Collins which I have just checked on freebmd.