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Hi all,

I've come to a bit of a dead end with the above and could do with a fresh pair of eyes please.

Thomas was christened Kendal (Westmorland) 10/2/1867, mother Mary Thompson but no father named on either his birth reg or christening. I found them on the 1871 census at Ackenthwaite workhouse, Mary still not married, age I think was 25.

I haven't found either of them again until Thomas marries Margaret Jackson in 1896, and they appear on the 1901 census in Barrow in Furness. With Thomas & family there is a Mary Dumphey (c1847, Kendal), recorded as mother in law - but it think Margaret has given the details and it was actually Thomas's mother. Mary dies in 1923 in Barrow.

Can anyone find a marriage for Mary Thompson to a Dumphey please, or find her and Thomas on the 1881/91 census? She is not with Thomas on 1911, so haven't been able to find her in 1911 either.

Many thanks

Sorry I had spelt Mary's name wrong - now amended.

just to refer back too

Deaths Sep 1923
DUMPHEY Mary 81 Barrow F. 8e 785

so she died as Dumphey

the cert should say widow of

its possible she may have married before so the marriage wont show Dumphey/Thompson

This might be Mary on the 1911 census..

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Mary Dumphy in the 1911 England Census

Name: Mary Dumphy
Age in 1911: 67
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation to Head: Aunt
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Kendal, Westmorland, England
Civil Parish: Kendal
Search Photos: Search for 'Kendal' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England
Street address: 3 Cross Street Kendal
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: At Home
Registration district: Kendal
Registration District Number: 581
Sub-registration district: Kendal
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Piece: 31632
Household Members:
Name Age
Maria Pearce 54 (Widow)
Thomas Pearce 20
Albert Pearce 18
Mary Dumphy 67 (Widow)

Only because I've noticed it

Deaths Dec 1897 (>99%)
Dumphey Mary 3 Barrow F. 8e 572

I assume it's this birth?

DUMPHEY, MARY JANE GRAVES Order
GRO Reference: 1894 J Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 60

So to this marriage
Marriages Jun 1887 (>99%)

Dunphy John Liverpool 8b 287
GRAVES Mary Jane Liverpool 8b 287

IGNORE! :-)

?

Deaths Dec 1899 (>99%)
Dumphey Thomas 65 Barrow F. 8e 613

That 1911 census looks promising Prickles - right area as Mary claims to come from Kendal.

I've looked for death of her husband in Barrow, but nothing really jumping out, I've tried FreeBMD for a marriage but haven't used alternative spellings for her surname. Will try that next.

Furness burials Transcription
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First name(s) THOMAS
Last name DUMPHEY
Age 65
Birth year -
Death year 1899
Burial year 1899
Burial day 25
Burial month Nov
Place BARROW-IN-FURNESS BOROUGH CEMETERY
County Lancashire
Country England
Record set Furness burials
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from England, Great Britain
Furness Family History Society

Actually Nyx, that could really be a possibility for hubbies death. When Thomas married Margaret Jackson he named his father as Thomas (a labourer) but I've thought this a fabrication to save face - maybe not. If only they could be found 1881/91 - I've had no luck, but only have limited access these days to other sites.

I have had a previous thread, about his step-daughter born before marriage:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1363187

Just a random spelling? but as it's right area may be worth looking at if only to discount

Marriages Dec 1884 (>99%)
Clement Mary Barrow F. 8e 1198
Dumfay Thomas Barrow F 8e 1198

edit doesn't look likely, this may be the irish couple on 1891

That's a possible Nyx, but on the CumbriaBMD index they record previous name if father has been named - and in this case there is no dual registration. This could be because she hasn't named her father though, but if she hasn't not sure how I could confirm this from a certificate.

I'll make a note of it, and when I can get into the records office will check the church register - married at St Lukes.

Long shot for 1881..........

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
13, Kennedy Street, Ulverston, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Hugh Davidson Head Married Male 38 1843 Dumfriesshire, Scotland Iron Works Labourer Transcription
Mary Davidson Wife Married Female 36 1845 Milnthorpe, Westmorland, England - Transcription
Thomas Thompson (Davidson) Step Son Single Male 13 1868 Milnthorpe, Westmorland, England - Transcription

Milnthorpe isn't TOO far from Kendal

Hi Erika, no Milnthorpe isn't far - and Thomas had been recorded as born Millomroth on the 1911 census - which doesn't exist. I think you are onto something with that one, it looks very promising, thankyou.

Interesting the surname "Clement"

The maiden name of the neice Maria Pearce, who Mary Dumphy is living with on the 1911 census.....was Clement.

Maria Clement in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Maria Clement
Spouse: Henry Pearce
Registration Year: 1885
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Kendal
Inferred County: Westmorland
Volume: 10b
Page: 937


Maria Pearce in the 1901 England Census
Name: Maria Pearce
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Kendal, Westmorland, England
Civil Parish: Kendal
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England

Maria Pearce 44 (Widow)
Edith Pearce 15
Chas Hy Pearce 13
Thomas Pearce 10
Albert Pearce 8



Charles Henry Pearce in the England & Wales, Christening Index, 1530-1980
Name: Charles Henry Pearce
Gender: Male
Christening Age: 0
Birth Date: 6 Jun 1887
Christening Date: 17 Jul 1887
Christening Place: Kendal, Westmorland, England
Father: Henry Pearce
Mother: Maria Pearce


PEARCE, CHARLES HENRY MMN CLEMENT
GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in KENDAL Volume 10B Page 697

these are the only births with mother named Thompson


Mother's Maiden Surname:
Order:
THOMPSON, THOMAS
THOMPSON

GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 199

THOMPSON, THOMAS
THOMPSON

GRO Reference: 1866 M Quarter in AUCKLAND Volume 10A Page 180

THOMPSON, THOMAS
THOMPSON

GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in CASTLE WARD Volume 10B Page 233

THOMPSON, THOMAS
THOMPSON

GRO Reference: 1867 S Quarter in ASHBY DE LA ZOUCH UNION Volume 07A Page 97

I just can't tie in Maria Clement with Mary Thompson - not seeing a birth for Maria to establish mmn either, to see if she was a Thompson?

THOMPSON, THOMAS - Order
GRO Reference: 1867 M Quarter in KENDAL Volume 10B Page 610

I believe this to be his birth registration Malyon, as there is no mmn recorded - which would tie in with the christening.

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Fellside, Kendal, Westmorland, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Clement Head Married Male 30 1831 Woollen Spinner Kendal, Westmorland, England Transcription
Rebecca Clement Wife Married Female 28 1833 - Kendal, Westmorland, England Transcription
Isaac Clement Son - Male 10 1851 Winder At Rope Walk Milnthorpe, Westmorland, England Transcription
Maria Clement Daughter - Female 5 1856 Scholar Kendal, Westmorland, England Transcription
Ellen Clement Daughter - Female 2 1859 - Kendal, Westmorland, England Transcription
Francis Clement Son - Male 0 1861 - Kendal, Westmorland, England


Marriages Jun 1853 (>99%)
Clement Thomas Kendal 10b 724
Hill Rebecca Kendal 10b 724

'Niece' could just be a courtesy title

Yes, my thoughts as well Erica - there's just nothing to tie Maria to Mary that i can see at the moment. I can't find Maria's birth registration, although it may not have been registered, nor can I find a christening on familysearch.

MMN for Maria was HIll

I think I must be missing something here, I still can't find her birth registration - could you post it please Erika?