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I found the MMN by looking for the marriage of her parents, which I posted along with 1861 census info

I hadn't looked for a birth registration - well done you for finding it

Gotta go now, just got visitors. Be back tomorrow.

I had a look at Shirley's earlier suggestion about getting Mary's DC but according to GRO would not give "widow of" just this info:

A full death record will give you:
•Name
•Date and place of death
•Date and place of birth (before 1969 a certificate only showed the age of the deceased)
•Occupation
•Abode
•Cause of death
•The person who gave the information for the death registration

I realise more recent DCs give more info - like "widow of" or the womans maiden surname, don't think that was the case back then? Unless someone knows different?

Oh, got it now:

CLEMMETT, MARIA HILL Order
GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in KENDAL Volume 10B Page 562

http://www.cumbriabmd.org.uk/index.php

(in case anything on above, often useful!)

I think I must be missing something here, I still can't find her birth registration - could you post it please Erika?

MMN for Maria was HIll

Yes, my thoughts as well Erica - there's just nothing to tie Maria to Mary that i can see at the moment. I can't find Maria's birth registration, although it may not have been registered, nor can I find a christening on familysearch.

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Fellside, Kendal, Westmorland, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Clement Head Married Male 30 1831 Woollen Spinner Kendal, Westmorland, England Transcription
Rebecca Clement Wife Married Female 28 1833 - Kendal, Westmorland, England Transcription
Isaac Clement Son - Male 10 1851 Winder At Rope Walk Milnthorpe, Westmorland, England Transcription
Maria Clement Daughter - Female 5 1856 Scholar Kendal, Westmorland, England Transcription
Ellen Clement Daughter - Female 2 1859 - Kendal, Westmorland, England Transcription
Francis Clement Son - Male 0 1861 - Kendal, Westmorland, England


Marriages Jun 1853 (>99%)
Clement Thomas Kendal 10b 724
Hill Rebecca Kendal 10b 724

'Niece' could just be a courtesy title

THOMPSON, THOMAS - Order
GRO Reference: 1867 M Quarter in KENDAL Volume 10B Page 610

I believe this to be his birth registration Malyon, as there is no mmn recorded - which would tie in with the christening.

I just can't tie in Maria Clement with Mary Thompson - not seeing a birth for Maria to establish mmn either, to see if she was a Thompson?

these are the only births with mother named Thompson


Mother's Maiden Surname:
Order:
THOMPSON, THOMAS
THOMPSON

GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 199

THOMPSON, THOMAS
THOMPSON

GRO Reference: 1866 M Quarter in AUCKLAND Volume 10A Page 180

THOMPSON, THOMAS
THOMPSON

GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in CASTLE WARD Volume 10B Page 233

THOMPSON, THOMAS
THOMPSON

GRO Reference: 1867 S Quarter in ASHBY DE LA ZOUCH UNION Volume 07A Page 97

Interesting the surname "Clement"

The maiden name of the neice Maria Pearce, who Mary Dumphy is living with on the 1911 census.....was Clement.

Maria Clement in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Maria Clement
Spouse: Henry Pearce
Registration Year: 1885
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Kendal
Inferred County: Westmorland
Volume: 10b
Page: 937


Maria Pearce in the 1901 England Census
Name: Maria Pearce
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Kendal, Westmorland, England
Civil Parish: Kendal
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England

Maria Pearce 44 (Widow)
Edith Pearce 15
Chas Hy Pearce 13
Thomas Pearce 10
Albert Pearce 8



Charles Henry Pearce in the England & Wales, Christening Index, 1530-1980
Name: Charles Henry Pearce
Gender: Male
Christening Age: 0
Birth Date: 6 Jun 1887
Christening Date: 17 Jul 1887
Christening Place: Kendal, Westmorland, England
Father: Henry Pearce
Mother: Maria Pearce


PEARCE, CHARLES HENRY MMN CLEMENT
GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in KENDAL Volume 10B Page 697

Hi Erika, no Milnthorpe isn't far - and Thomas had been recorded as born Millomroth on the 1911 census - which doesn't exist. I think you are onto something with that one, it looks very promising, thankyou.

Long shot for 1881..........

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
13, Kennedy Street, Ulverston, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Hugh Davidson Head Married Male 38 1843 Dumfriesshire, Scotland Iron Works Labourer Transcription
Mary Davidson Wife Married Female 36 1845 Milnthorpe, Westmorland, England - Transcription
Thomas Thompson (Davidson) Step Son Single Male 13 1868 Milnthorpe, Westmorland, England - Transcription

Milnthorpe isn't TOO far from Kendal

That's a possible Nyx, but on the CumbriaBMD index they record previous name if father has been named - and in this case there is no dual registration. This could be because she hasn't named her father though, but if she hasn't not sure how I could confirm this from a certificate.

I'll make a note of it, and when I can get into the records office will check the church register - married at St Lukes.

Just a random spelling? but as it's right area may be worth looking at if only to discount

Marriages Dec 1884 (>99%)
Clement Mary Barrow F. 8e 1198
Dumfay Thomas Barrow F 8e 1198

edit doesn't look likely, this may be the irish couple on 1891

Actually Nyx, that could really be a possibility for hubbies death. When Thomas married Margaret Jackson he named his father as Thomas (a labourer) but I've thought this a fabrication to save face - maybe not. If only they could be found 1881/91 - I've had no luck, but only have limited access these days to other sites.

I have had a previous thread, about his step-daughter born before marriage:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1363187

Furness burials Transcription
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First name(s) THOMAS
Last name DUMPHEY
Age 65
Birth year -
Death year 1899
Burial year 1899
Burial day 25
Burial month Nov
Place BARROW-IN-FURNESS BOROUGH CEMETERY
County Lancashire
Country England
Record set Furness burials
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from England, Great Britain
Furness Family History Society

That 1911 census looks promising Prickles - right area as Mary claims to come from Kendal.

I've looked for death of her husband in Barrow, but nothing really jumping out, I've tried FreeBMD for a marriage but haven't used alternative spellings for her surname. Will try that next.