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I have a Lucy Clements born 1830 Gt Bentley, Essex. She had two children before marriage but in 1854 she married James Bell - regd. Tendring, Essex and had two children by him - Jemima in 1854 and Rose in 1859 and supposedly Henry Charles Bell in 1868. I say supposedly because on the 1861 census Lucy is described as married but it says' deserted of husband '. Now if this is the case James could not be Henry Charles father. (Charles Henry was always known as Charlie in later life).I do not know unfortunately anything else about James ie date/place birth and have scoured the 1861 census looking for him without success. Then realised that he would be on 1851 census as not married to Lucy at the time but was not successful here. I have also tried to find a copy of the marriage cert online in the hope of finding his father's name but got nowhere. Incidentally Lucy was in the workhouse when her first two children were born and was back there in 1861 with her children and still there by 1881 census. By 1891 Charles Henry had moved away and was lodging in Yorkshire. I feel I have tried every avenue to get more information on James and his parentage and have run out of ideas, Has anyone any thoughts as to what I can do next ? Thanks for reading and for any help you can give.

BELL, CHARLES HENRY CLEMENTS Order
GRO Reference: 1868 S Quarter in TENDRING Volume 04A Page 257

But I'm not seeing Jemima and Rose in same surnames on GRO?

Both Jemima and Rose are Bell in 1861 but with two siblings surname Clements.

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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Great Bentley, Tendring, Essex, England

Edward Clemments Head Widower Male 49 1802 Labourer Great Bentley, Essex, England
Lucy Clemments Daughter Unmarried Female 21 1830 Servant Great Bentley, Essex, England
John Clemments Son Unmarried Male 11 1840 - Great Bentley, Essex, England
Emmer Clemments Daughter Unmarried Female 7 1844 - Great Bentley, Essex, England
Eliza Clemments Daughter Unmarried Female 2 1849 - Great Bentley, Essex, England Transcription

For our reference:



Lucy Bell
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Lucy Bell
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: 1822
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Great Bentley, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Tendring
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Tendring
Sub-registration district: Thorpe
ED, institution, or vessel: Tendring Union Workhouse
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 1093
Folio: 132
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Lucy Bell 39
O Clements 14 [ E Clements ] - someone has added that her name is Eliza ??
J Clements 10
Jemima Bell 7 - born Tendring Union workhouse
Ross Bell 2 [ Rose ] - born Lexden & Winston Union Workhouse

You will possibly need to buy the marriage cert?

Marriages Sep 1854 (>99%)
Bell James Tendring 4a 260
Clements Lucy Tendring 4a 260

Maybe?

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Great Bentley, Tendring, Essex, England

James Smith Head Married Male 60 1791 Labourer Essex, England
Marahan Smith Wife Married Female 36 1815 - Essex, England
James Bell Son Unmarried Male 22 1829 Labourer Essex, England <<<<<<<
James Smith Son Unmarried Male 17 1834 Labourer Great Bentley, Essex, England

Or

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Great Bentley, Tendring, Essex, England

William Todd Head Married Male 64 1787 Labourer Elmstead, Essex, England
Sarah Todd Wife Married Female 60 1791 - Great Bentley, Essex, England
Ellen Bell Daughter Unmarried Female 12 1839 - Great Bentley, Essex, England
James Bell Son Unmarried Male 17 1834 - Great Bentley, Essex, England

Based solely on location, and probable age

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Great Bentley, Tendring, Essex, England

James Smith Head Married Male 60 1791 Labourer Essex, England Transcription
Marahan Smith Wife Married Female 36 1815 - Essex, England Transcription
James Bell Son Unmarried Male 22 1829 Labourer Elmstead Essex, England Transcription
James Smith Son Unmarried Male 17 1834 Labourer Great Bentley, Essex, England

Thanks a million - I've made a note of them just in case they turn out to be the ones I am looking for.

Other disappearing children ??:

BELL, CHARLOTTE mms CLEMENTS
GRO Reference: 1855 M Quarter in TENDRING Volume 04A Page 202


BELL, EMMARETTA mms CLEMENTS
GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in TENDRING Volume 04A Page 224



EDIT:

Emmaretta Bell
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Emmaretta Bell
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Tendring Union Workhouse, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Tendring
Town: Tendring
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: Tendring
Sub-registration district: Thorpe
ED, institution, or vessel: Union Workhouse
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 1679
Folio: 87
Page Number: 6


With her are Rosanna Bell (12) and Jemima Clements (22).

This 'may' be one of the James Bells born 1834, bell on image

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Castle Inn Public House, Cottage, Little Wakering, Rochford, Essex, England

John Nicholls Head Married Male 41 1820 Inn Keeper Dengie, Essex, England
Sarah Ann Nicholes Wife Married Female 39 1822 - Dengie, Essex, England
Emma Nicholes Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 Inn Keeper Daughter Dengie, Essex, England
Mary Ann Nicholes Daughter - Female 11 1850 Scholar Dengie, Essex, England
Enoch Nicholes Son - Male 9 1852 Scholar Dengie, Essex, England
Robert Bloomfield Lodger Married Male 70 1791 Agricultural Labourer Great Barton, Essex, England
John Barrett Lodger Married Male 61 1800 Agricultural Labourer Fillingham, Essex, England
John Haxell Lodger Unmarried Male 30 1831 Agricultural Labourer Hockley, Essex, England
James Beel Lodger Unmarried Male 27 1834 Agricultural Labourer Hawkwell, Essex, England <<<<<<
Charles Richardson Lodger Unmarried Male 18 1843 Agricultural Labourer Hockley, Essex, England

Goodness me, what a complicated/mysterious woman this Lucy Clements seems to have been - she appears to have been producing children all over the place !! and what an unusual name Emmaretta !! Thank you for all your help. I must go now and prepare the evening meal so my absence isn't disinterest, just busy. Thanks a lot.

A tree on Ancestry says Emmaretta was in Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorkshire in 1881;
married Walter Lund in Sheffield 1882; had son Reginald c1891 Hull; was in Kimberworth, Yorkshire in 1891; Walter died 1896 in York; another son born 1898 in Sculcoates (William Turgoose Lund 1898 - 1958) was living in Sculcoates 1901; married Christopher Turgoose in Hull 1901; son Reginald died in Hull 1911;
Emmaretta died 13 May 1944 Hull.

Apparently there's something about her death in the Hull Daily Mail - are you there Chris ??

The tree says Lucy died 1875 Tendring.

Nothing about James Bell, unfortunately, apart form his name.

I haven't checked any of this, but the tree seems well researched, with a good number of records copied to the tree.

A couple below, might relate to those posted...

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

Chris :)

Baptism
Place Elmstead
Church name (with link) St Anne and St Lawrence
Register type (with link) Parish Register
Register entry number 349
Baptism date 16 Jan 1829
Person forename James
Person sex M
Mother forename Mary
Mother surname BELL
Person abode Elmstead


County Essex
Place Leyton
Church name (with link) St Mary the Virgin
Register type (with link) Parish Register
Register entry number 16
Marriage date 26 Aug 1833
Groom forename James
Groom surname SMITH
Groom parish Leyton
Groom condition bachelor
Bride forename Mary Ann
Bride surname BELL
Bride parish Leyton
Bride condition spinster
Witness1 forename William
Witness1 surname BELL
Witness2 forename Ellen
Witness2 surname BELL
Notes Banns


Baptism
County Essex
Place Great Bentley
Church name (with link) St Mary the Virgin
Register type (with link) Parish Register
Register entry number 642
Baptism date 03 Apr 1834
Person forename James
Person sex M
Father forename John
Mother forename Sarah
Father surname BELL
Person abode Great Benltley
Father occupation Labourer


Marriages Mar 1850 (>99%)
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Bell Sarah Tendring 12 329
Todd William Tendring 12 329


Baptism
County Essex
Place Great Bentley
Church name (with link) St Mary the Virgin
Register type (with link) Parish Register
Register entry number 516
Baptism date 23 Aug 1830
Person forename Lucy
Person sex F
Father forename Edward
Mother forename Martha
Father surname CLEMENTS
Person abode Great Bentley
Father occupation Labourer

Is that below? (sorry just seen you above AG!)

Chris :)

Deaths Jun 1944 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------
Turgoose Emmeretta 82 Hull 9d 187


16 May 1944 - Hull Daily Mail - Hull, East Riding of Yorkshire, England

Death
TURGOOSE - On the 13th inst., at N.H. Emmeretta, aged 82, widow of the late Christopher. Cortege leaves 15, Division rd, Wednesday 2.30 pm, service St. Barnabas CH. interment Western Cemetery. Reunited. From the family.



1939 Register (Find My Past)

8 Sovereign Place William Street , Kingston-upon-Hull C.B., Yorkshire (East Riding),
Emmar?tta Turgoose 07 May 1861 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Household Duties Widowed
Christopher Turgoose 12 Aug 1885 Male Goal (Coal) Trimmer


Edits (reference 1861...Deserted by Husband agricultural labourer's wife)

Thank you for all your efforts - you are a wonderful lot at digging out hideaway ancestors. I have made a little discovery of my own. Re Emeretta as shown above who married Walter Lund. On 1891 Census she is married toWalter Lund and has living eith her Henry Charles Bell - her younger brother. They are living at 12 Wentworth Road. Coincidentally living next door at No. 14 is the Wallis family whose daughter Ada Wallis marries Henry Charles Bell

Just to add -

Reginald Lund, the supposed son of Emmaretta per that tree on Ancestry, is a mistake by the tree owner.


He's not with Emmaretta in either 1891 or 1901:

Emaritta Lund
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Emaritta Lund
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Tendering, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Sculcoates
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Kingston upon Hull
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Sculcoates
Sub-registration district: Drypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 07
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4483
Folio: 23
Page Number: 38
Household schedule number: 234
Household Members:
Name Age
Christopher Turgoose 48
Christopher Turgoose 15
Elizabeth Turgoose 11
Emaritta Lund 39
William T Lund 3
Alsop Turgoose 14

The tree's" proof" of Reginald's existence is a 1901 census where he is with his brother-in-law Frederick Jones, and Frederick's wife Emily J Jones (Reginald's sister) in Sculcoates.

Marriages Jun 1900 (>99%)
Jones Frederick Skirlaugh 9d 583
Lund Emily Jane Skirlaugh 9d 583

This is the only Reginald Lund born Hull c 1891 that I can see:

LUND, REGINALD mms GLEADHILL
GRO Reference: 1890 D Quarter in HULL Volume 09D Page 277


Marriages Jun 1874 (>99%)
Gleadhill Mary Jane Beverley 9d 192
Lund Joseph Beverley 9d 192

This must be Emily J's birth, even though with different mms:

LUND, EMILY JANE mms PRIESTMAN
GRO Reference: 1876 S Quarter in HULL Volume 09D Page 244

In 1891 Jane E Priestman is listed as Joseph Lund's mother-in-law.

Marriages Sep 1859 (>99%)

Gledhill Jane Elizabeth Sculcoates 9d 231
Priestman John Needham Sculcoates 9d 231

However, I won't be sidetracked into researching a completely unconnected family!

As said earlier, to find more info. on James Bell, you need to purchase 1854 Marriage Cert...

Marriages Sep 1854 (>99%)
Bell James Tendring 4a 260
Clements Lucy Tendring 4a 260

Chris :)