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I have a Charles Siggs listed as an inmate in Edmonton 1861, could be a workhouse ? I can’t find a death but have found a Charles Seggs Edmonton 1868. Firstly I wonder if it,s the same person and secondly I’m slightly incredulous because I’m making an assumption that this is my relative born in 1790 to Matthew and Elizabeth Siggs from who he inherited a farm in Cambridge in 1826 . A fall from grace !

It is the workhouse in 1861 census

Name: Charles Tiggs
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: 1791
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Havershill, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Edmonton
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Edmonton
ED, institution, or vessel: Edmonton Union Workhouse
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 797
Folio: 150
Page Number: 11


This is the 1868 death with age

SEGGS, CHARLES 80 Order
GRO Reference: 1868 M Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 125

Andy

1861 for ref

Charles
Last name Siggs
Relationship Inmate
Marital status Widower
Sex Male
Age 70
Birth year 1791
Occupation Coachman
Birth town Haverhill
Birth town as transcribed HAVERHILL
Birth county Suffolk
Birth county as transcribed SUFFOLK
Birth place (other) England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Street -
Parish Edmonton
City or borough -
County Middlesex
Country England
Municipal ward -
Parliamentary borough -
Ecclesiastical district St James
Registration district Edmonton
Enumeration district -
Archive reference RG09
Piece number 797
Folio 150
Page 11
Family member last name Underwood, Macer, Day, Siggs, Purle, Anderson, Finn, Webb, Hend, Haswell, Rose, Sheward
Family member first name(s) Richd, Hannh, Elizth, Charles, Edwd, Robt, Thos, Eliza, Eliz, Jane, Ann
Record set 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys

Charles Thomas
Last name Siggs
Birth year 1790
Baptism year 1790
Baptism date 23 May 1790
Parish Haverhill, St Mary
Place Haverhill
Relationship Son
Father's first name(s) Matthew
Mothers first name(s) Elizabeth
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)
Entry number 16655
Record set Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911

1841
Boardss Lane, Edmonton, Middlesex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Charles Skeggs Male 50 1791 -
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Sarah Skeggs Female 50 1791 -
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Rebecca Skeggs Female 15 1826 -
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Elizabeth Skeggs Female 7 1834

It is a workhouse. John and Mary Adlington are the Master and Matron.

He didn't necessarily fall from grace. Many people ended up in the workhouse if they were elderly and had no one who could look after them. Workhouse infirmaries were just like our general hospitals - in fact many of them became general hospitals once the workhouse system finished.

I think the death you found was quite possibly him.

Kath. x

3 possibles for sarah
Skeggs Sarah — 1841 1841 England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Edmonton, Middlesex, England
Skeggs Sarah — 1843 1843 England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Edmonton, Middlesex, England
Skeggs Sarah — 1847 1847 England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Edmonton, Middlesex, England

Is this 'your' Charles's marriage to a Miss Embden ??

MARRIED. On Thursday last Mr. Joseph Gardener, of Horseheath, to MissSinipkin, of West Wratting. ***Same day Mr.Charles Siggs to Miss Embden, both of Shudy Camps.
13 October 1813 - Bury and Norwich Post - Bury St Edmunds, Su.........

Is so, do you know her first name please and if they had any children?
Dea x

dea
this is that marriage i think
Charles
Last name Siggs
Name note -
Marriage year 1813
Marriage date 07 Oct 1813
Marriage place Shudy Camps
Spouse's first name(s) Ann
Spouse's last name Emson
County Cambridgeshire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

children
Charlotte
Last name Siggs
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1817
Baptism date 02 Jan 1817
Residence Shudycamps, Cambridge, England
Place Shudy Camps
County Cambridgeshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Charles
Father's last name Siggs
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Mother's last name -

Matthew
Last name Siggs
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1814
Baptism date 07 Oct 1814
Residence Shudycamps, Cambridge, England
Place Shudy Camps
County Cambridgeshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Charles
Father's last name Siggs
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

Mathew
Last name Siggs
Gender Male
Marital status -
Occupation -
Event year 1826
Birth year -
Age at death -
Burial year 1826
Burial date 07 Jun 1826
Burial place Shudycamps, Cambridge, England
Place Shudycamps
County Cambridgeshire
Country England

Thanks for all that. It becomes quite complicated when the names are either wrongly transcribed or indeed if there was a mistake back in the day.

The marriage to Ann Emson is the one that I have and the daughter Charlotte married and moved on having no children. Her husband was a farm labourer so I wonder if she took on the farmer or would it not have been left to a female ? More things to find out !