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I have found the Certificate I purchased for Thomas Henry Povey's birth with mmn Eliza Povey formerly Wildin. That shows 12th August 1855 Mill Lane, Eton registered the 12th September, 1855.
This information was found by Chris Ho 2014 and following that I located a Baptism for Elizabeth Wilkin 1824 Northumberland.
I have Thomas Henry's Death Cert 13th September 1884 Aged 26 years, which fits in with him being on the 1881 Census. He was a house painter on my grandfather's birth certificate. T.H. father is showing as Builder and Carpenter.
I followed through with those people who had Eliza Wilkin in their trees but none came through as a match so cannot confirm as T.H mother.

Think I shall have to go through everything again and see if I missed anything.

Thanks so much for your input.
Ru

3 Holland Place is where Charles's widow and children were living in 1881 - so if he did die before Thomas H married, then it's a clerical error on the ER side to show him there in 1887.

Not sure how the ER works - if Elizabeth hadn't notified them of his death, maybe that would account for it?

It will (maybe) definitely be him at that address in 1875 - unless he'd died earlier and it's another mistake..

For what it's worth, the 1877 death of Thomas Povey is the only male Povey death in the right area and time frame.


So far, I can't see a birth record for Willie with mms Wildin, or for May/Mary with mms fitting any later marriage of any Charles or Thomas Povey.

ArgyllGran
Regarding the Wildin connection I have been in touch with the family on Trees and as we got down to it I was unsure, but again need to go back over the paperwork. Perhaps the task is growing fast!!
Thank you.
Ru

Thank you for this, but as you can see we are getting down to it again.
Now the above Charles Thomas Povey cannot be correct if Thomas Henry's marriage to my great grandmother Eleanor Daniels is correct. I have her marriage to Thomas H and Thomas H death certificate - I know this to be true due to the Goodwin connection which I have confirmed by my own mother. His father is down as deceased on his marriage cert.
Thomas Henry died young 26 years.

Still going to look out all the documents and research notes on this.
Thank you again
Ru

Just a possibility for Charles Thomas's death ??

We know he died between 1871 and 1881.

Deaths Mar 1877 (>99%)
POVEY Thomas 50 Kensington 1a 44



His widow Elizabeth (the second wife ) in 1881:

Elizabeth Powey
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Powey
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relationship to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ripon, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 3 Holland Place
Marital Status: Widow
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Laundress
Registration district: Kensington
Sub registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 16b
Neighbors:
Piece: 27
Folio: 37
Page Number: 67
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Powey 37
Mary Powey 11 - Kensington
Charles Powey 9 - Kensington



EDIT

And yet, here's Charles T apparently at 3 Holland Place in 1887.
Somebody forgot to update the ER ??

Charles Thomas Povey
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Charles Thomas Povey
Year: 1887
County or Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Ward or Division/Constituency: Kensington
Street address: 3 Holland place
Reference Number: MR/PER/B/019

He's also listed there in 1875.

In 1876 and 1878 there's a Charles Thomas Povey at 55 Abbingdon Road, Kensington & Chelsea - possibly him.

Maybe Thomas Henry in 1861 ??
Slough is just beside Eton.

Thomas Povey
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Thomas Povey
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: 1857
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Slough, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: New Windsor
Ecclesiastical parish: Windsor St John
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Windsor
Sub-registration district: Windsor
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 133
Piece: 760
Folio: 62
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Eatwell 48
Sophia Eatwell 48
Thomas Povey 4

EDIT:
already posted by Chris on other thread.


Maybe Thomas and Eliza Povey (nee Wildin) in 1851 .
Thomas's occupation does fit with Charles's in 1871, but birthplace is different:


Eliza Povey
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Eliza Povey
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas Povey
Gender: Female
Where born: St Andrews, London, England (not Portsea as in 1871 - EDIT: sorry, I meant Thomas, not Eliza)
Civil Parish: St Giles Cripplegate
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: East London
Sub-registration district: Cripplegate
ED, institution, or vessel: 1b
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 80
Piece: 1525
Folio: 43
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Povey 25 - book edge gilder
Eliza Povey 27 - St Andrews, London

If the age given for Elizabeth Povey in 1871 census is correct, then she can't be Thomas's mother - she would only have been 13 when he was born.
She must be Charles's second wife, in which case the 1851 marriage can't be correct.

(Unless Charles had previously married another Elizabeth.)

The big gap between Thomas and May would also account for that - although of course there might have been other children who had died.

Firstly, thanks to you all for your input. I will try and deal with replies in order if you can follow me.
Kucinta:
I think this is interesting and when talking Ireland we have to have our wits about us. Is there any connection to Charles Povey b. 1840 who then came to England - Brighton Sussex? Povey names are common. However, will have a look at the names and see if there is any connection.

ArgyllGran:
I think this most interesting - have never looked for the deliberate mistake -DOVEY and the continued error as the birth certificate mentioned Eton was sent for and I think discounted - not sure now if I have kept the it, but will get the files out. Bit of a hoarder, but with quakes we have had a clear out.
So it seems that was the one after all as years and names fit, as does the trade of father and son. Poor Thomas Henry died young after fathering my grandfather Thomas Charles Povey as set out in 1881 Census. Could never find Thomas Henry but with the incorrect spelling, all makes sense. Thank you will have another look. I will be Over the Moon if its correct. Not sure when the correction was made.
ErikaH:
You are on the right track and I did search and search for the father, but it is like everything else without confirmation (accuracy) I felt insecure in making it a record. Again will now go back and see what is there in my files. I think we are getting there.
think you have helped in the past.
Safc:
This is a huge find as it shows error corrections made. It shows on the 1881 Census that Thomas Henry was born Brighton Sussex. This seems like a red herring and probably the reason I have discounted birth Certs sent for and connections to Eton. Who is Jonquil West? Just a person who spots an error? Thomas Henry Povey Eton birth 1855 3a 321 rings a bell and I think it is the cert. I sent for and discounted. Hope not.
Thank you all so very, very much - having put this to bed and starting on my end of year accounts, came across some unfiled paperwork on the Pauper bit for Charles Povey - its started me off again.

Will get back to you - but please remember I am very grateful for your time and input despite it going over old ,ground.
Kind regards,
with hope the sun is shining for you now as it rains and is cold in NZ
Ru

The 1855 birth and baptism were posted on the other thread, and Ru was happy at that time that they were the correct ones - although the father Thomas was stated to be a carpenter and builder.

????

Baptism entry Report an Error in Transcription Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Buckinghamshire
Place (with link) Eton
Church name (with link) St John the Evangelist
Register type (with link) Transcript
Baptism date 04 Nov 1855
Person forename Thomas Henry
Person sex M
Father forename Thomas
Mother forename Eliza
Father surname POVEY
Transcribed by Jonquil West
File line number 2081

Births Sep 1855 (>99%)
Povey Thomas Henry Eton 3a 321

Here's Thomas Henry in 1871 -

Thomas Dovey
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Thomas Dovey
[Thomas Povey]
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Son
Father's name: Charles T Dovey
Mother's name: Elizh Dovey
Gender: Male
Where born: Lucks, Eton
[Eton, Buckinghamshire]
[Eton]
Civil Parish: Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew and St Phillip
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: St Mary Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 122
Piece: 3
Folio: 14
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles T Dovey 42 - decorator and gilder; born Portsea, Hants
Elizh Dovey 28 - Ripon, Yorks.
Thomas Dovey 15
Willie Dovey 12 - Marylebone, Essex
May Dovey 1 - Marylebone, Essex

Thomas was 22 in March 1880, when he married, so probably born 1857

Also, he states that his deceased father, Charles Thomas Povey was a House Painter, as he is himself

Have you looked for a death for the 'father'?

I found this baptism for a Povey in Dublin, but have no idea if the child or his parents are related to your Poveys in any way:

Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915

Name: George Povey
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 1834
Baptism Date: 5 May 1834
Baptism Place: St Andrew's, Dublin city, Dublin, Ireland
Parish Variants: St. Andrew's, Westland Row, Westland Row
Diocese: Dublin
Father: David Povey
Mother: Mary Povey

Oh thank you so much for looking. I would not know where to search. Of course, I am only going by information on the 1851 Census who places Charles Povey at the school in Brighton, Sussex and the details of birth are just that, Dublin, Ireland.

There is no confirmation there is a connection to the family only his name, birthdate would match any father of Thomas Henry whose birth is elusive who is my great, great grandfather. Oh to get a match to Thomas H Povey!!

Thanks so much for taking the time to look. It is appreciated.
Ru

Neither irishgenealogy.ie, nor Ancestry have any birth record for a Charles Povey c1840 in Dublin - or anywhere in Ireland, as far as I can see.

I have the information regarding the school, but not that it belong to the Workhouse. Should have thought of that!
Thanks
Ru

Thanks ArgyllGran - just wanted to know how I get the thread no.,

Just did not want helpers to go through the search again, but need to get onto the Charles Povey Dublin birth and family from this young man who was in Brighton, Sussex aged 11 at a School and a pauper. Where were his parents, what happened for him to be a young boy in England?

any ideas?
Ru

"The School" was the school belonging to Brighthelmstone Workhouse.