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OK Sheila, I'm not always the best at explaining myself, but glad you're going to take another look at it- as something isn't quite right with the information you already have. Enjoy your holiday, let us know if you need any help.

AustinQ. Yes I see what you mean I will have to look into everything more I have come across different date for the birth of Frederick which is confussing..
Thank you for your help.
I will search more after my holiday.

Sheila- I wasn't doubting your information re Helen Puxley. I was doubting that the Frederick that married Fanny Maud Lock was the same Frederick that lived with/ married Helen.

Helen was living with Frederick in Manselton Road from at least 1927, but Fanny's Frederick was then still living at 110 Fore Street. So it seems they are different people.

Frederick that married Fanny was born c1878, Frederick that lived with Helen was, according to the 1939 register, born in 1886.
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What are the details for Frederick on the 1956 marriage? What is his age/ occupation/ father's name/ marital status?

AustinQ.
The 1939 register is correct as I stayed there with them early 1950`s also on the probate that I didn`t know about is Ethel Mary ( should be May) Stratford was my mother she always said that she never got anything even though G aunt Helen lived with us for a while after Frederick died before going back to Swansea to live with friends.
As I said at the start Frederick and Helen did not get married until 1956 in Exeter, they were staying with us at that time ,she was married to Phillip Puxley he died this I found in a newspaper insert asking for information of the where abouts of Helen Puxley and for her to get in touch to do with a will so only then could she and Frederick get married.
Ref to Ernest William Bowen Webb there is a Richard Bowen Webb in my Frederick `s family.

I don't think it was the same Frederick- Fanny's husband was still in Fore Street in 1934:

Western Morning News 25 October 1934

CROSSWORD No. 69 Winners

Mr F W WEBB, 110 Fore-Street, Devonport

Mr Webb who has been for 26 years manager of the Singer Sewing Machine Co's premises at 110 Fore street, Devonport is in the habit of sending in seven or eight coupons weekly. 'I think there is a lot of skill attached to it', he said, 'and you stand more chance if you send in a number of entries
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Then in 1937, Frederick and Fanny's son dies after a day trip to Corwall. Fanny is then described a widow.

23 August 1937 - Western Morning News - Plymouth, Devon,

DEVONPORT MAN DIES AFTER BATHE

Mr Ernest Willian Bowen Webb, aged 20 of 110 Fore street, Devonport, single, living with his widowed mother.......
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So possible/ likely death for Fanny's husband:

Deaths Jun 1935
Webb Frederick W 57 Plymouth 5b 347
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What made you think that Fanny's Husband, Frederick, was the same Frederick that was living with Helen?

Just looking at the 1939 register you mentioned for Frederick- it gives his DOB as 1886- are you sure it is the same Frederick?:

Webb Household (2 People) 143 Manselton Road , Swansea C.B., Glamorganshire, Wales

Frederick W Webb 22 Apr 1886 Male Porter & Warehouseman Married
Helen Webb 21 Sep 1884 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
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England & Wales, National Probate Calendar

WEBB Helen of Manselton Road, Manselton Swansea died 19 November 1966 at Mount Pleasant Hospital Swansea Administration Exeter 28 December to Ethel Mary Stratford married woman £1019 Revoked New Grant Exeter 7 June 1967
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Frederick is listed on the electoral register at Manselton Road with Helen from 1927 until 1957- this is likely his death:

First name(s) FREDERICK W
Last name WEBB
Gender Male
Birth year 1889
Age 68
Death quarter 2
Death year 1957
District Swansea
County Glamorganshire
Volume 8B Page 627

Name: Fanny Maud Webb
Death Date: 28 Dec 1949
Death Place: Cardiff
Probate Date: 22 Mar 1950
Registry: Llandaff

Admin to Charles Henry Webb, Electrical Cable Engineer

Probates here:

https://www.gov.uk/search-will-probate

Fanny's probate is on the 5th page for 1950.

Fanny's is also on Ancestry.

ArgyllGran. Please where can I find probate record.

Charles Henry Webb was b 1906 Cardiff.

Thanks everyone for all the info .
Have to go now will check back tomorrow.

If this is her in 1939 she is described as widow


Webb Household (4 People)
15 Edith Avenue , Plymouth C.B., Devon, England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Fanny Webb 13 Jul 1879 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Elizabeth Bassett 06 Aug 1885 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Sarah Noisey ? ? 1862 Retired Nurse
Ethel A Moeder 28 Jul 1895 Drapery Shop Assistant
Ref: RG101/6792G/010/34 Letter Code: WELH

Sorry I don`t have any other details as when Frederick and Helen married I had no idea that she had been married before these are things I have found since doing family history.
Phillip Puxley had died.

Looks like Fanny didn't die till 1949


First name(s) FANNY M
Last name WEBB
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1879
Age 70
Death quarter 4
Death year 1949
District Cardiff
County Glamorganshire
Volume 8B
Page 238
Country Wales
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

Still married in 1918:

Frederick William Webb
in the UK, Royal Air Force Airmen Records, 1918-1940
Name: Frederick William Webb
Gender: Male
Age: 40
Birth Date: 7 Aug 1877
Birth Place: Landore, Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Service Date: 4 Jun 1918
Service Number: 191533
Spouse: Fanny Maud Webb
Next of Kin: Fanny Maud Webb
Relation to Airman: Wife

For our reference:

Fanny Maud Webb
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Fanny Maud Webb
Age in 1911: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Cardiff, South Wales
Civil Parish: Devonport
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street address: 110 Fore Street, Devonport
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Devonport
Registration District Number: 278
Sub-registration district: St Aubyn
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 250
Piece: 13017
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick William Webb 33
Fanny Maud Webb 31
Charles Henry Webb 4 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Frederick Laurance Webb 2
Emma Arscott 38 - general domestic servant
Ethel May Victor 16 - nursemaid

Is this Fanny's death?

Fanny M Webb
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Fanny M Webb
Death Age: 70
Birth Date: abt 1879
Registration Date: Dec 1949
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 8b
Page: 238

The cert should tell you whether she was still married or not.


Hmmm, interesting.
She's described as "widow" in her probate record.
Administration (with Will) to Charles Henry Webb, electrical cable engineer.

What was Frederick's status when he married Helen? Divorced or widowed? It may be that Frederick and Helen waited until after the death of their spouses before they got married.

Not many divorce records have survived (Scottish ones being the exception).

Please can anyone help find if Frederick William Webb b 1878 Swansea and Fanny Maud Lock b 1880 Cardiff married 1905 Cardiff ever got divorced .Fanny d 1949 . 1911 census they were living at 110 Fore St,Devonport. 1939 census Frederick was living at 143 Manselton Rd ,Swansea with Helen Webb but they were not married as she was still married to Phillip Puxley of London.
Frederick and Helen married in 1956 Exeter.
Thank you .Sheila