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Hi genes members, I have in my family a Arthur Robert Penny born 1878 in London Battersea Surrey England. His parents are Edward Penny born 1851 and Mary Ann Maria Langton born 1852 HAYES Middlesex England. I am trying to find if Arthur went into the war, as I have been trying to find out if he married and can't find anything. I thought he may have been killed in the war. I don't know if he did go into any war just a punt. He also has siblings which are
1. Charlotte Maria Penny 1873
2. Charles William Thomas 1875
3. Henry John 1880
4. Corrie Christmas 1883
5. George Edward 1885 ( my grandfather )
6. Lily 1888
If anyone can find his marriage or any war records it would be very appreciated thanks.
Jill

when is the last date that you have for Arthur being in a census etc?

That saves us from repeating your searches!

Hi Sylvia I have him in the 1881 and 1891 census

and nothing after 1891???

I found this record on ancestry, an Arthur Robert being awarded 2 medals, which were both given to all soldiers who served in WW1.

UK, WWI Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920

Name: Arthur Robert Penny
Military Year: 1914-1920
Rank: Private
Medal Awarded: British War Medal and Victory Medal
Regiment or Corps: Royal Fusiliers (City of London Regiment)
Regimental Number: PS/6106
Previous Units: 19 R Fus Pte PS/6106
Other Records: Search for 'Arthur Robert Penny' in other WWI collections
War Diaries (France, Belgium, Germany): Search for 'Royal Fusiliers (City of London Regiment)' in the WWI War Diaries (France, Belgium, Germany) collection
War Diaries (Gallipoli): Search for 'Royal Fusiliers (City of London Regiment)' in the WWI War Diaries (Gallipoli) collection


This is the Medal Card for the same person, seemingly showing that he also served in the Air Force .......

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920

Name: A R Penny
[Arthur Robert Penny]
Regiment or Corps: Royal Fusiliers, Royal Air Force
Regimental Number: 6106, 6106
Other Records: Search for 'A R Penny' in other WWI collections

He served in France from 14-11-15 until 12-04-16, and the medals were awarded by the Air Ministry

According to the Medal Index Card he applied for the medals on 6-11-20, and his address was given as 37 Manor Road, Bradford; then there is also another address given:- Iona, St John's Road, Tunbridge Wells, Kent


I do not know that this is your Arthur Robert ............ and this may be the only information to find as only about 30% of WW1 records for soldiers survived after WW2 was over, and most of those are badly damaged.

Thanks Sylvia I will have a read thanks again for your help.
Jill

?????????? possible in 1911??????????????

1911 Census

Name: Arthur Penny
Age in 1911: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Visitor
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Hackney, London, England
Civil Parish: Portsmouth
Search Photos: Search for 'Portsmouth' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address: 1 Junction Road, Southsea, Hants
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Tram Conductor
Registration district: Portsmouth

Name Age
Francis Dransfield 28 b.ca 1883, Ryde, Isle of Wight, Hampshire
Laura Dransfield 24 b.ca 1887, Ryde, Isle of Wight, Sister
Arthur Penny 33

Maybe thanks again.
Jill

FMP is acting up, says it can'T find any records (I've tried other names as well) ...... so I can't check what is on that site.

Mine is playing up to must be the sites will look later many thanks for your help.
Jill

According to the GRO he was Arthur Albert:

PENNY, ARTHUR ALBERT (mother's maiden name: LANGTON )
GRO Reference: 1878 M Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 636

This appears to be his record- mentions brothers Charles, Christmas & George. Mother listed as Mary. Image on Ancestry- I'm unable to check FMP at the moment.

British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920

Name: Arthur Albert Penny
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1882
Birth Place: Battersea, Surrey, England
Marriage Date: 14 Feb 1910
Marriage Place: Hunkead
Age: 19
Document Year: 1901
Regimental Number: 16371
Regiment Name: Royal Irish Regiment
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Number of Images: 21

Arthur Albert Penny Self (Head) (married 14 Feb 1910)
Edith Mary Hayward Spouse
Ethel Lilian Mary Penny Child born 3 Feb 1911
Arthur Edward Penny Child born 3 June 1913
Albert Edward Penny Child born 19 December 1915

Marriage:

Name: Arthur Albert Penny (coachman)
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1882
Marriage Date: 13 Feb 1910
Marriage Place: St Antony, Nunhead, Southwark, England
Father: Edward Penny (Bricklayer)
Spouse: Edith Mary Hayward
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses: C J G Offord & Eleanor Mary Penny
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Baptism of daughter:

Name: Ethel Lily Mary Penny
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 3 Feb 1911
Baptism Date: 26 Mar 1911
Baptism Place: St Antony, Nunhead, Southwark, England
Father: Arthur Penny (carman)
Mother: Edith Penny
Abode: 37 Heaton Road
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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
37 Heaton Road Peckham S E, Camberwell, London & Surrey, England

Arth Penny Head Married Male 28 1883 London W C Carman Genl
Edith Penny Wife Married Male 24 1887 Kent Town Barling
Ethel Penny Daughter - Female London Peckham
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Arthur's death:
Deaths Jun 1936 (>99%)
Penny Arthur A 58 Surrey Mid.E. 2a 298
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1939 register:

51 Balliol Road , Bexley M.B., Kent, England

Edith M Penny 14 Jul 1887 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed
Albert E Penny 19 Dec 1915 Male Machine Hand Productive Plater Bran Married
Alice L (M) Penny 23 Aug 1919 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Ethel M L Sims (Penny) 03 Feb 1911 Female Dress Maker Single

Thanks for that info i will fouble check my records and get back to you many thanks
Jill

do you have a subscription to Ancestry. He was quite a man your Arthur Penny

Hi no i don't have ancestry but big thank you to all of you for your help. I will have a good read of what you have given me again many thanks.
Jill

Marriages Sep 1873 (>99%)
BUNT Charles Guisbro' 9d 682
JAMES Elizabeth Stephen Guisbro' 9d 682
LANGTON Mary Ann Guisbro' 9d 682
PENNY Edward Guisbro' 9d 682

http://www.teesvalley-indexes.co.uk/
Result Year Forename (Surname) Initial Ref Number Click to contact
1 1873 MARY (LANGTON) AM R-X2G-1-0-257 Redcar & Cleveland
2 1873 EDWARD (PENNY) R-X2G-1-0-257 Redcar & Cleveland

Search births - results for PENNY 1873 to 1875
Result Year Forename Initial Ref Number Click to contact
2 1873 CHARLOTTE M R-0-MAR14-0-355 Redcar & Cleveland
4 1874 ELLEN E R-0-LOF9-0-246 Redcar & Cleveland
[My guess - MAR is code for Marske subdistrict, LOF is code for Lofthouse (Loftus) subdistrict]



PENNY, CHARLOTTE MARIA LANGTON Order
GRO Reference: 1873 S Quarter in GUISBOROUGH Volume 09D Page 461

PENNY, ELLEN ELIZA LANGTON Order
GRO Reference: 1874 S Quarter in GUISBROUGH Volume 09D Page 476
PENNY, ELLEN ELIZA 0 Order
GRO Reference: 1875 J Quarter in AUCKLAND Volume 10A Page 168

PENNY, CHARLES THOMAS WILLIAM LANGTON Order
GRO Reference: 1875 D Quarter in AUCKLAND Volume 10A Page 241

PENNY, ARTHUR ALBERT LANGTON Order
GRO Reference: 1878 M Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 636

PENNY, HENRY JOHN LANGTON Order
GRO Reference: 1880 J Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 669
PENNY, HENRY JOHN 1 Order
GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 432

PENNY, ROSE LANGTON Order
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 716

PENNY, CORRIE CHRISTMAS LANGTON Order [Male]
GRO Reference: 1884 M Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 657

PENNY, GEORGE EDWARD LANGTON Order
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 671

PENNY, LILY FRANCES LANGTON Order
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 662

PENNY, ANNIE MAUD LANGTON Order
GRO Reference: 1894 M Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 528
PENNY, ANNIE MAUD 1 Order
GRO Reference: 1895 S Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 294

PENNY, ALFRED GORDON JUBILEE LANGTON Order
GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 502



1881 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27Q-5HD4
1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27Q-5CSK
Event Place Battersea, London,Surrey, England
Registration District Wandsworth
Residence Note 64 Bridge Rd
Birthplace Chelmsford, Essex, England
Registration Number RG11 Piece/Folio 638/17 Page Number 30
Edward Penny Head M 30 Chelmsford, Essex, England Bricklayer
Mary Maria Penny Wife F 29 Hayes, Middlesex, England
Charlotte Penny Daughter F 7 Broton, Yorkshire, England
Chas Thom Penny Son M 5 Whitten Le Wear, Durham, England
Arthur Robt Penny Son M 3 Battersea, Surrey, England
Registration Number RG11 Piece/Folio 638/18 Page Number 31
Henry John Penny Son M 1 Battersea, Surrey, England
[FS mistakenly split h/h at page boundary]

Thanks see in the 1881 census Arthurs middle name is Robert its so confusing many thanks for extra info now to have a good read