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Brodrick/Broderick

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paphosdave

paphosdave Report 9 May 2018 20:15

I have hit a wall with James Brodrick/Broderick bn 1762 in Middleham Yorkshire. died -Accrington Lancashire January 8 1842 married Jane Hinde 1761-1846. Can anyone help get further past him? :-(

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 9 May 2018 20:27

Just checking on lancs opc .............. is this your James' burial??

Burial: 13 Jan 1842 St James, Church Kirk, Lancashire, England
James Broderick -
Age: 79 years
Abode: Church
Buried by: J. Birchall
Register: Burials 1841 - 1866, Page 12, Entry 91
Source: LDS Film 1470823

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My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 9 May 2018 20:28

looks like it was ...... this is Jane's burial

Burial: 2 Apr 1846 St James, Church Kirk, Lancashire, England
Jane Broderick -
Age: 85 years
Abode: Accrington
Buried by: J. Hopwood
Register: Burials 1841 - 1866, Page 57, Entry 451
Source: LDS Film 1470823

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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 9 May 2018 20:32

How did you find out that he was born in Middleham, Yorkshire?

every family tree on ancestry has him born in Lancashire, although the 1841 Census has him as not born in county

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My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

paphosdave

paphosdave Report 9 May 2018 20:57

Buried in St James Churchyard, Church, Accrington.
Birth found on familysearch. it was the not born in county that made me search further afield

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 10 May 2018 00:32

Did that birth on familysearch give the father's name??

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My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 10 May 2018 00:43

I cannot find a baptism for a James Brod(e)rick on Family Search Parish records

It was not a user-submitted record that you found was it?

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My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

paphosdave

paphosdave Report 10 May 2018 19:44

Not sure what a user submitted record is. All I have is what you have reproduced on this thread. D.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 10 May 2018 20:23

You said you found the birth on Family Search.

I can't the birth or baptism on Family Search or anywhere .. so I'm just wondering how you found it?

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

paphosdave

paphosdave Report 10 May 2018 21:00


Name Events Relationships
James Brodrick
International Genealogical Index (IGI)

birth:
1762 Lancashire, England
death:
9 January 1842

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 11 May 2018 00:27

ah! OK

so it should be somewhere.


user-submitted records on Family Search means information submitted by Mormons, and they are usually not accompanied by official documentation (reference to Parish Register, for example), and so are not trustworthy.

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 11 May 2018 00:42

Unfortunately, the IGI is now hosted by Rootsweb which has been off-line for many months as they attempt to sort out major problems, and I can no longer access what I used to be able to do.

But the information you gave says born Lancashire ...... yet you mention Middleham Yorkshire in your first post. Where did that information re Middleham come from??

I can tell you there is no James Brod(e)rick b.ca 1760-1770 shown on lancs-opc (Lancashire Online Parish Clerks), I can't find him baptised in records on ancestry, FindMyPast or on FreeReg . That could indicate that he was not baptised.

On the other hand, his name is not exactly unusual, and the 1841 census plus the burial are the only 2 indications of his age. Ages on the 1841 Census were usually down rated to the nearest 5, and the information on death is only what is known to the informant and may be wrong. We're no further ahead!!!

Nor can I find a marriage for him and Jane Hinde.

In addition, Jane also says she was not born in county on the 1841, so the same applies re her age as it does to James.

I've found 2 baptisms for children with parents James and Jane born between about 1804 to 1810 in Accrington, but they don't give Jane's maiden name. I am surprised that I couldn't see any baptisms for children before that .............. it could be that older children were born elsewhere OR that Jane was James' second wife. The common name causes a problem there, as well as all the possible different spellings the further back you go.

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 11 May 2018 00:46

OK

I have just found this marriage on FamilySearch. I'll post it, then go and try to prove it on other sites.

England Marriages, 1538–1973

Name James Broadrick
Spouse's Name Jane Hinde
Event Date 10 Nov 1794
Event Place Coverham, York, England

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My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 11 May 2018 00:53

from FMP .............


England Marriages 1538-1973

First name(s) James
Last name Broadrick
Name note -
Marriage year 1794
Marriage date 10 Nov 1794
Marriage place Coverham
Spouse's first name(s) Jane
Spouse's last name Hinde
Residence Coverham, York, England
County Yorkshire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973


Yorkshire Banns

First name(s) James
Last name Broadrick
Banns year 1794
Banns date ? ? 1794
Marriage year 1794
Marriage date 10 Nov 1794
Place Coverham
Residence Coverham
Spouse's first name(s) Jane
Spouse's last name Hinde
Spouse's residence Coverham
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England
Archive reference -
Archive North Yorkshire County Record Office
Record set Yorkshire Banns

from image:-

Banns called 26 Oct 1794, 2nd Nov and 9 Nov, with names of the vicars who called them.

Marriage took place on 10 November 1794
Witnesses:- John Hinde and John Wright

No names of fathers shown as was common in those days.

Interestingly, it looks as though Jane signed her own name while James was unable to do so and had to make his mark.

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 11 May 2018 01:09

children baptised with parents James and Jane


Yorkshire Baptisms

First name(s) George
Last name Broadrick
Birth year -
Baptism year 1794
Baptism date 30 Nov 1794
Baptism place Coverham
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) James
Mother's first name(s) Jane
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England
Archive North Yorkshire County Record Office
Record set Yorkshire Baptisms


First name(s) Jenny
Last name Broadrick
Birth year -
Baptism year 1797
Baptism date 26 Jan 1797
Baptism place Coverham
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) James
Mother's first name(s) Jane
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England
Archive North Yorkshire County Record Office
Record set Yorkshire Baptisms


First name(s) Richard
Last name Broadrick
Birth year -
Baptism year 1799
Baptism date 18 Aug 1799
Baptism place Coverham
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) James
Mother's first name(s) Jane
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England
Archive North Yorkshire County Record Office
Record set Yorkshire Baptisms


No further information on any of the images.

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

paphosdave

paphosdave Report 11 May 2018 18:36

Thanks Sylvia. You have confirmed the info that I already have. Seems like I shall have to leave it at that. Thanks for your time on this. God Bless. D.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 11 May 2018 19:24

you're very welcome!

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.