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She was baptised 10 Apr 1898. A birth date of 25 Mar 1898 is therefore possible.

As she rather a remote relative, I'm not inclined to purchase the BC. Never mind - thank you for trying to find a solution. :-)

There are so many Ada (and Ada E) Blakes, never mind Turnbull or Lewis!

Wondering about this one:

Richard P Robinson
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Richard P Robinson
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1930
Registration district: Southwark
Inferred County: Surrey
Spouse: Ada E Blake
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 275


I'm not sure if this is the same couple or not - actually I don't think it is. The only Richard P I can find born at the right time is Richard Preston Robinson, but he was killed in WW1:

Ada E Robinson
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Ada E Robinson
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 25 Mar 1898
Residence Year: 1939
Residence Place: Finsbury, London, England
Schedule Number: 206
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: AFTL
Registration district: 14/1
Inferred Spouse: Richard Robinson
Household Members:
Name
Richard Robinson - 16/11/1883, Builders Labourer Heavy Worker
Ada E Robinson
Kathleen E Wood - 01/02/1923
Violet Graham - 11/06/1918

There's one closed record before the two (presumably) lodgers.


This is the death of the Ada in 1939:

Deaths Mar 1976 (>99%)
ROBINSON ADA EMILY 25MR1898 LAMBETH 14 406

Looks like you might have to buy her birth cert, Det!

If we could find her death or in 1939 (from DOB), we could maybe work back from there.

Thank you for checking, Argyllgran.

I’ve find the records already posted, but she’s not with her family on the electoral rolls. So either she’s died or married, perhaps under her stepfather’ surname. It doesn’t help that he was a Lewis & later a Turnbull.

AQ has already posted 1911 with Emily and William Lewis - and Ada.

Posting again here for ease:

Ada Blake
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Ada Blake
Age in 1911: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hoxton
Civil Parish: Walthamstow
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: 55 Cassiobury Road, W Stow
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: West Ham
Registration District Number: 188
Sub-registration district: Walthamstow
ED, institution, or vessel: 66
Household schedule number: 35
Piece: 9740
Household Members:
Name Age
Emily Blake 33
William Lewis 36
Richard Morgan 29
Ada Blake 13
Emily Blake 11
Henry Blake 3


Don't see her in 1901 - yet.


Re the daughter Emily - Sylvia posted a 1902 death for an Emily Florence Blake, but clearly that's a different child, as Emily is there in 1911.

Emily Ellen Florence is the Emily Eden on the 1930's ERs posted earlier by AQ:

Marriages Dec 1929 (>99%)
Blake Emily F Eden Southwark 1d 155
EDEN Kenneth F C Blake Southwark 1d 155


Emily Ellen F Eden
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Emily Ellen F Eden
Death Age: 90
Birth Date: 22 May 1900
Registration Date: Nov 1990
Registration district: Southwark
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 15
Page: 159

I'm still missing Ada Emily Blake b 25 Mar 1898.

BLAKE, ADA EMILY FRANKS
GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 43

Any help please?

AustinQ - eventually got around to looking at the institutions section on FMP.
Assuming it is the same person, he was quite the naughty boy!

Wow! Thanks for all your hard work :-D

And here's young Henry Blake from the 1911 census:

TURNBULL, HENRY ALFRED WILLIAM mms FRANKS
GRO Reference: 1908 J Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 454

Ages are a little out, but this is them in 1939. (Turnbull on image):

Dunbell Household (3 People) 34 Lytham Street , Southwark, London, England

William T Dunbell 07 Jul 1884 Male French Polisher Married
Emily L Dunbell 23 Apr 1880 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Charles G Dunbell 23 Mar 1915 Male Printer Layer On Single

Wonder if William Lewis also went by the name Turnbull?

There is the William John Turnbull birth above, and also this birth:

Births Jun 1915
BLAKE Charles J T (MMN: Franks) Southwark 1d 212

(Same birth also registered under Turnbull)
--------------------------------

Baptism
Name: Charles Turnbull Blake
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 23 Mar 1915
Baptism Date: 28 Jul 1915
Baptism Place: St Peter, Walworth, Southwark, England
Father: William Turnbull Blake (French polisher)
Mother: Emily Blake
Abode: 34 Elizabeth Street
--------------------------

Electoral register:
1928
34 Elizabeth Street, Westmoreland Road, Southwark

Emily Louie Blake
Charles Franks
Emily Turnbull
William Turnbull

1931
34 Elizabeth Street, Westmoreland Road, Southwark

Emily Eden
Kenneth Eden
Emily Turnbull
Henry William Turnbull
William Turnbull

1934
34 Elizabeth Street, Westmoreland Road, Southwark

Emily Eden
Kenneth Eden
Emily Louisa Turnbull
William Thomas Turnbull
--------------------------------

Emily finally marries William in 1934:
Marriages Mar 1934
Blake Emily L Turnbull Camberwell 1d 1117
Turnbull William T E Blake Camberwell 1d 1117
-------------------------------

Death:
First name(s) EMILY L
Last name TURNBULL
Gender Female
Birth year 1877
Age 67
Death quarter 4
Death year 1944
District Southwark
County London
Volume 1D Page 34

Sorry - I seemed to have missed reading some of the earlier post. Must try harder. :-(

Austin had already posted the William John Turnbull Blake as well as other possibilities.

Places to go, things to see. Catch you later. Thanks for the help. :-)

Added it to the previous post - it wasn't Henry!

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BLAKE, WILLIAM JOHN TURNBULL FRANKE
GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 467

I can't see the child Henry as either Blake, Lewis, or Franks.

What surname did you think you'd found him under?

I do wish it was possible to search the GRO site without specifying the child's surname!

ArgyllGran - Sister in law is probably more like it.

Austin - so sorry you're feeling under the weather. You must be one of those people who are attractive to biters. OH is like that - we do wonder if he has too much sugar in his blood!

To anyone still around, can you find the GRO entry for child Henry? I'm sure I found it last night with several middle names. Its hiding now. :-|

Added - found the one I was thinking off, but its not Henry.

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
BLAKE, WILLIAM JOHN TURNBULL FRANKE
GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 467

It might have been one of the 3 children who'd died.

Det- I'm going to leave that up for now- just in case. I'm having trouble identifying Mrs G Blake, but might come back to it. My brain is not at it's best today- I have several infected insect bites on my feet, which is making me terribly irritable (more so than usual!).

But Gertrude wasn't a Franks:


Gertrude Ward
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Gertrude Ward
Gender: Female
Record Type: Banns (Bann)
Marriage Banns Date: 14 Dec 1902
Marriage Banns Place: St Philip the Evangelist, Arlington Square, Islington, England
Spouse: Albert Henry Blake
Register Type: Parish Register

>>>>>>>>>>>> But perhaps "sister" meant "sister-in-law".

He did have a brother Albert Henry Blake.
The addresses I have for him are
1901 - 80 Westmoreland Place, Hoxton
1903 to 1906 - 89 Packington Street, Islington
1911 - 64 Elmore Street, Islington

Not sure who the Mrs G Blake is, unless she was Albert's wife.
Albert death 13 Aug 1917 & is recorded on YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL.
Husband of Gertrude Blake, of 38, Hartington Rd., Station Rd., Walthamstow, London.

I need to check this out- bear with me. It could just be coincidence.

Army Service Records:

First name(s) William
Last name Franks
Age 39
Birth year 1877
Birth town London (Shoreditch)
Birth county Middlesex
Birth country England
Service number 12599
Regiment Royal Berkshire Regiment
Unit / Battalion 6th, 9th (Reserve) Battalion
Year 1916
Residence county Wales

Next of kin (crossed out- Albert Franks, Stanford Road)
Sister: Mrs G Blake115 Mortimer Road, London

William Charles in prison in 1901 ??



William Blake
in the 1901 England Census
Name: William Blake
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Prisoner
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Shoreditch, London, England
Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Lower Holloway
ED, institution, or vessel: His Majestys Prison Pentonville
Neighbors:
Piece: 176
Folio: 98
Page Number: 34
Household schedule number: 1


Married, general labourer