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Hi
First I would like to thank you all for all your time and help you are giving me trying to sort out Sarah Hawtin family etc
I have been back over all the many pages I have on her and Robert just so muddled
So I thought I would go back to square one and start again.
Sarah Hawtin (sometime spelt Hawtyn) was married to Robert Gascoigine
in the 1841 Census shows Robert and Sarah children Harriett and Dorcas both aged 20/24 also there was Sarah's Mother Ann Hawtin aged 79/83 I found Ann Hawtin's death on here (GR) in 1843 Banbury and Sarah's death in1842 Banbury in view of what you have said about them rounding off years to the nearest 5 it would seem that Harriett and Dorcas were not twins
As with Sarah's Bapt date I just can't find where I got that from ....
lesson here DO not use odd scaps of paper Notebook from now on.
My goodness sorting out the family tree is calling for another glass of wine Hic ;-)
Thanks again
Val

Sylvia mentioned Harriet's marriage -

just for the record:

Isaac Cotterill
in the Oxfordshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
Name: Isaac Cotterill
Gender: Male
Age: Full Age
Marriage or Bann Date: 27 May 1845
Marriage Place: Banbury, St Mary, Oxfordshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Banbury
Spouse: Harriett Gascoigne
Father: William Cotterill


Harriet names Robert as her father - but if he was her foster/adoptive father from her early childhood, maybe she looked on him as her father - or maybe had been told he was.

Or maybe he WAS her father, but somehow her baptism record hasn't survived.

Record Transcription:
England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
What can I do with this record?
Attach this record as a source to a person on your tree. Also update people and relatives with details from this record
First name(s) Harriet
Last name Gascoigne
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1815
Baptism date 22 Feb 1815
Place Bloxham
County Oxfordshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Mother's last name Gascoigne
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

Malyon ............

AG has already posted that baptism earlier.

Harriet married Isaac Cotterill, she is shown on the 1861 and 1871 as born ca 1818/1819, Hornton

I still cannot find a baptism for her

Sarah Hawtyn
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Sarah Hawtyn
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 23 Jul 1780
Christening Date (Original): 23 JUL 1780
Christening Place: BLOXHAM,OXFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Hawtyn

I wonder if Dorcas and Harriet really were twins?????????

Dorcas was baptised , but there is no sign of Harriet anywhere

Oxfordshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915

Name: Dorcas Gascoigne
Baptism Date: 30 Apr 1820
Baptism Place: Hornton, Oxfordshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Hornton
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Father: Robert Gascoigne
Mother: Sarah Gascoigne

Address:- Village
Father occupation:- Labourer

BUT

Valerie said in her OP that Sarah was baptised 6-7-1781

AG and I have asked where THAT information was found.

She was down as Sarah Hawtyn baptised by John Hawtyn 23/7/1780 in Bloxham Oxfordshire,info off Ancestry.

Maryb.

None the trees showing Sarah offer any proof of her DOB.

To repeat my question - where did you find Sarah's baptism date?
Baptism records usually show at least the father's name.

EDIT:
and Sylvia's also asking this!

Valerie ..........

where did you find Sarah's baptism date?

Where was she baptised?

Have you seen the Parish Register? That usually shows the father's name, or mother's name if she was illegitimate

Robert's death in 1854

GASCOIGNE, ROBERT 72
GRO Reference: 1854 S Quarter in BANBURY UNION Volume 03A Page 463


Drat!

I was hoping Sarah would be alive in 1851 to get a better idea of where she was born, but this looks like her death

GASCOIGNE, SARAH 64
GRO Reference: 1842 S Quarter in BANBURY UNION Volume 16 Page 20


EDIT:-

Death age 64 in 1842 = birth year 1778

Age of 60 on 1841 Census could actually be anywhere between 60 and 64, as ages were rounded down to the nearest 5

Ann Hawtin 1766 died 1843 in Hornton,couldn't this be the mother of Sarah nee Hawtin who she is with in 1841.

Tree on Ancestry.co.uk had John Hawtin 1746-1827 a widow married Ann Battie born 1752 married 6/12/1773 gave birth to Sarah 15/10/1779 you would have to check this out to confirm if it is your Sarah.

Maryb.

Possibly Isabella's death?

Isabella Gascoigne
in the Oxfordshire, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1965
Name: Isabella Gascoigne
Age: 8
Birth Year: abt 1813
Burial Date: 17 Jun 1821
Burial Place: Hornton, Oxfordshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Hornton

Isabella may have died before the 1841 census. (Or married).

Re Diana Durham - Dinah on marriage record?


Valentine Gardener
mentioned in the record of Valentine Gardener and Dinah Durham
Name Valentine Gardener
Spouse's Name Dinah Durham
Event Date 26 Dec 1786
Event Place Tysoe,Warwick,England

She's also Dinah on earlier banns record.

However, I can't see her birth, or parents' names.

Thanks,just been sifting through some more items, I found that Sarah died in 1842 aged 61 I wonder if Isabella is another daughter because it's strange there are only two show Harriet and Dorcas, because most families had more children than 2 I will pencil this one in and go on checking.
Val

Where have you found Sarah's baptism date, please?
Usually a baptism record would at least name the father.

I don't see it on either Ancestry or FamilySearch.

There seem to have been several Sarah Hawtins (or similar).
Here's another baptism - just to muddy the waters:


Sarah Hawtyn
England Births and Christenings
Name Sarah Hawtyn
Gender Female
Christening Date 23 Jul 1780
Christening Date (Original) 23 JUL 1780
Christening Place BLOXHAM,OXFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name John Hawtyn

Another daughter ?

England Births and Christenings
Name Isabella Gascoigne
Residence Place Horley, Oxford, England
Gender Female
Christening Date 03 Jan 1813
Christening Date (Original) 3 Jan 1813
Christening Place Horley, Oxford, England
Father's Name Robert Gascoigne
Mother's Name Sarah

For ref:


Dorcas Gascoigne
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Dorcas Gascoigne
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Hornton
Hundred: Bloxham
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Banbury
Sub-registration district: Swalcliffe
Neighbors:
Piece: 875
Book: 15
Folio: 20
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Gascoigne 55
Sarah Gascoigne 60
Harriet Gascoigne 20
Dorcas Gascoigne 20
Ann Hawtin 79 - definitely Hawtin on image.

can I check your spelling please??

Gascogine or Gascoigne??

Hawtin or Hawkin?