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Good Morning ArgyllGran, Sylvia and Dea,
Many thanks for all your messages.
I hope there may be some helpful info on the second marriage cert.
I will post as soon as it at arrives.
If it is the same Christiana, she had a baby ( Alfred ) in Norwich around 1830.
She was not married. I do wonder if maybe her Mum and Dad were not married
either, could be why her father's name changed from Frederick on 1st wedding cert
to Charles on the second.?? Or maybe he could have been Charles Frederick or Frederick Charles.??
Regards
Sally

Thanks Dea


But there still seems to be no Christiana (without surname) or Hastings (without forename) baptised in East Ruston between 1800 and 1825 (on FreeReg)

I think you have the right Christiana in 1861 Sylvia and I think this is William:


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Hatch Green, Hatch Beauchamp, Taunton, Somerset, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Bell Head Married Male 58 1803 School Masters Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England
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Miriam Bell Daughter - Female 11 1850 Scholar Othery, Somerset, England


He was a widower in 1851 so that would fit with the marriage in 1858:

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Smallmoor, Middlezoy, Bridgwater, Somerset, England

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William Bell Head Widower Male 47 1804 Annuitant Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England
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Elizabeth J Bell Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1833 House Keeper London, Middlesex, England
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William H Bell Son - Male 13 1838 Scholar Taunton, Somerset, England
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Emma Bell Daughter - Female 9 1842 Scholar Bishops Lydeard, Somerset, England
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Eliza A Bell Daughter - Female 3 1848 Scholar Othery, Somerset, England
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Meriam Bell Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Middlezoy, Somerset, England

Dea x

Christiana Lilburn, wife of William Lilburn says she was born in Newcastle, Northumberland on the 1871 Census, and has lost several years in age

Does this woman keep inventing herself?????

1871 Census
Name: Christiana Lilburn
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Lilburn
Gender: Female
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Tynemouth


Then it's back to Norfolk in 1881

Is this Christiana in 1861, with birthplace showing as East Ruston, Norfolk

1861 Census

Name: Christiana Bell
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: 1811
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: East Ruston, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Wilton
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Registration district: Taunton
Sub-registration district: Taunton St Mary Magdalen
ED, institution, or vessel: 12

Household schedule number: 136
Piece: 1617
Folio: 117
Page Number: 28

Margaret Ainslie 64
Amelia C Ainslie 27
Margaret S Ainslie 5
Edward F Ainslie 1
Jane Jona Pulker 46
Christiana Bell 50 Married, House Servant
Mary Cawley 23
Ann Chaplin 23


When did William die?

That Christian Hastings in the 1871 appears to be the same person as the Christiana Hastings in the 1851 .............. same birthplace, same occupation. Except that she says she is Married in 1871.

Name: Christian Hastings
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Westgate
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 10b
Household schedule number: 397
Piece: 5073
Folio: 41
Page Number: 22

Ann Burris 64 Lodging House Keeper
Maryan Hetherington 14 Servant
Christian Hastings 54 Married, Nurse

I don't see Mary Cate on this 1851 record, and is this Christiana?? Age is wrong

1851 Census

Francis W Newton Head Married Male 36 1815 Magistrate Landed Proprietor London, Middlesex, England
Catherine B Newton Wife Married Female 27 1824 - India
Emily M Newton Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Pitminster, Somerset, England
William Thorn Servant Unmarried Male 24 1827 Footman Bishops Green, Somerset, England
Sophia Jackman Servant Widow Female 56 1795 House Keeper Pressen, Surrey, England
Christiana Hastings Servant Unmarried Female 35 1816 Nurse Westwick
Sarah Jarvis Servant Widow Female 49 1802 House Maid Liverton, Devon, England
Emma Grover Servant Unmarried Female 16 1835 Lady's Maid Ponde, Surrey, England
Ann Hayes Servant Unmarried Female 35 1816 Laundry Maid Pitminster, Somerset, England
Elizabeth Hartnell Servant Unmarried Female 28 1823 House Maid Wellington, Somerset, England
Jane Kent Servant Unmarried Female 22 1829 Kitchen Maid Dallington, Somerset, England
Faith Farley Servant Unmarried Female 20 1831 Dairy Maid Black Bourton, Devon, England

Interesting ................

different occupation for William on the record that AG found vs the one I found??????

Mary Cate's a colleague of Christiana:

Mary Cate
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Mary Cate
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relationship to Head: Housekeeper
Gender: Female
Where born: East Clandon, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Pitminster
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street address: Barton Grange
Occupation: Housekeeper & Cook
Registration district: Taunton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Piece: 2364
Folio: 108
Page Number: 21

from FMP

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England Marriages 1538-1973

First name(s) Christiana
Last name Hastings
Name note -
Marriage year 1858
Marriage date 04 Jul 1858
Marriage place Pitminster
Spouse's first name(s) William
Spouse's last name Bell
Residence Pitminster, Somerset, England
County Somerset
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973



Somerset Marriage Index

First name(s) Christiana
Sex Female
Last name Hastings
Marriage year 1858
Birth year 1812
Spouse's first name(s) William
Spouse's last name Bell
Parish Corfe
Denomination Anglican
County Somerset
Country England
Document type Parish records
Page 20
Age 46
Marital status spinster
Residence Barton Grange, Corfe
Occupation Servant
Marriage date 10 Jul 1858
Spouse's birth year 1804
Spouse's age 54
Spouse's marital status widowed
Spouse's residence Blagdon
Spouse's occupation Labourer
Father's name Frederick Hastings
Father's occupation Traveller
Spouse's father's name John Bell
Spouse's father's occupation Cloth Manufacturer
First witness James Bray
Second witness Mary Cate
Archive Somerset Archives
Archive reference D/P/CRF 2/1/7
Record type Marriages
Record's year range 1838-1900
Category Life Events (BDMs)

Oh yes, here it is:

Christiana Hastings
in the Somerset, England, Marriage Registers, Bonds and Allegations, 1754-1914
Name: Christiana Hastings
Gender: Female
Age: 46
Birth Year: abt 1812
Marriage or Bann Date: 10 Jul 1858
Marriage Place: Corfe, Somerset, England
Parish as it Appears: Corfe
Father: Federick Hastings
Spouse: William Bell


William's a schoolmaster, Christiana's a servant.
His residence: Blagdon (?)
Her residence: Barton Grange, Corfe.
Fathers: John Bell, cloth manufacturer; Frederick Hastings, traveller.
Witnesses: James Bray, Mary Cate (looks like Cate, anyway.)

Third reading of Banns :


Christiana Hastings
in the Somerset, England, Marriage Registers, Bonds and Allegations, 1754-1914
Name: Christiana Hastings
Gender: Female
Marriage or Bann Date: 4 Jul 1858
Marriage Place: Pitcombe, Somerset, England
Spouse: William Bell

William - widower of this parish
Christiana - spinster of Corfe parish.


No parish record of the actual marriage on Ancestry,as far as I can see.


Christiana Hastings
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Christiana Hastings
Registration Year: 1858
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Taunton
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 559
Records on Page:
Name
William Bell
Christiana Hastings

Hi Dea,
I don't have the first marriage cert, i took the details from Ancestry.
William BELL Widower 54 years married Christiana HASTINGS Spinster 46 years
TAUNTON Sept 1858 ( July 10th 1858 ) Corfe
Father's - John BELL & Frederick HASTINGS
Witnesses James Bray & Mary ????

Maybe someone could look on Ancestry and make out more than I can. !!!!

Regards
Sally

Could you give us ALL the details from that first wedding cert please from 1858, including all occupations, addresses and also details of witnesses.

Perhaps we can try coming from a different angle?

Thanks,

Dea x

As she gave a different forename for her 'father' on that one, I fear it will not be of much help - but I hope that I'm wrong!

Hi Erika,
Many thanks for your reply.
I did start looking for the baptism, nothing yet. I also could find nothing before 1851.
I can't wait for the second wedding cert, hope there maybe more info. !!!
Regards
Sally

Her birthplace is recorded as Westwick, Norfolk, on 1851 census.

Have you looked for a baptism?

EDIT

Can't see any sign of her before 1851 on any website

Traveller in those days was a salesman who travelled around the country - the full title was 'Commercial traveller' or 'Travelling salesman'

What people now call 'travellers' would have been 'gipsies' then - which certainly wasn't classed as an occupation

Good Morning Sylvia, Dear and Shirley,
I must say it did cross my mind why she would put traveller as a job. !!!!
I will wait for the second marriage cert to see what her father is listed as.
Regards
Sally

Hubby's grandfather was a traveller but he was a salesman for tobacco and fancy goods for his father's business

They weren't gypsies