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Just to let you know I have sent for the marriage certificate for Henry William Adams to Elizabeth Kelly. Will be back with the father's name once received,

Thank you Mary I think it could be the William Adams we are looking for will run it by my friend when I get to speak with her

Connection through names??

William Adams 1836-1891 a Clerk married Thirza Elizabeth 1840-1924? Butt 1869
they had William Henry m qtr 1870 V 01b P 221 Islington this is 9 minutes drive to St Pancras so its the same area.He had brother George Frederick born 1874
William not with mum 1891.

Could he have named 1st daughter Elizabeth Thirza after his mum and son Frederick George after is brother??

Just an idea, as on 1911 census he has just written place of birth as London and in pencil someone has written Middlesex no mention of St pancreas.

Maryb.

I think you need his marriage cert, for father's name.

He could have learned to be a ships engineer, but then not carried on in either the Royal or Merchant Navy.

http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/TSExmouth/

EDIT:
Well, maybe not. Probably too old - unless he later claimed to be younger then he really was. Maybe he didn't know his YOB .


Hy. Adams
in the London, England, TS Exmouth Training Ship Records, 1876-1918
Name: Hy. Adams
Age: 13
Birth Date: abt 1867
Residence Year: 1880
Residence Place: St Pancras
Entrance Date: 28 Jan 1880
Entrance Place: Grays, Essex, England

Age 13, but thought to be 12, at entry.
Discharged: 8 Sept 1882.

Discharged to Royal Navy, HMS Impregnable, as a Bluejacket.

Height at entry: 4ft 4ins.
Height at discharge: 4ft 10.5 ins.

Weight at entry: 6st 6lbs.
Weight at discharge: 10 st 2lbs.

"Very good" or "Exemplary" conduct throughout.
In June 1882 he was rated Gold Lace Boy, and in July 1882 he was a Boatswain's Yeoman.

He is an engine fitter on the 1901 census posted by Erika.

1891, 1901, and 1911 all specify St Pancras as his place of birth.

so maybe this is him in 1881 ???

Henry Adams
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Henry Adams
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relationship to Head: Pauper
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Grays Thurrock
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: "Exmouth" The Training Ship At Grays
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Orsett
ED, institution, or vessel: The Training Ship Exmouth
Neighbors:
Piece: 1753
Folio: 85
Page Number: 19


There are other Williams, Henrys, and William Henrys born 1868-71 in London, but none specifying St Pancras.

Could this be them in 1891? He's a steam engine fitter, does that tie in with other censuses? She was born Chatham, Kent.


William H Adams
in the 1891 England Census
Name:
William H Adams
Gender:
Male
Age:
24
Relationship:
Head
Birth Year:
1867
Spouse:
Elizabeth M Adams
Birth Place:
Middle, St Pancras
[St Pancras, London]
Civil Parish:
St John the Evangalist Westminster
Residence Place:
St John the Evangalist Westminster, London, England

Household Members:
William H Adams 24
Elizabeth M Adams 21

His age could possibly be 21 on original.

Do you have William and Elizabeth's marriage cert, to be sure of his father's name?

From FreeBMD:


Marriages Dec 1890 (>99%)

ADAMS William Henry Medway 2a 1034
Kelly Elizabeth Medway 2a 1034

We now have Frederick George Adams born 1909 parents as William Henry Adams born abt 1871 London & Elizabeth (nee Kelly) born abt 1869 at Chatham Kent.

I am now looking for the parents of William Henry Adams,the person I am helping says they were Isaac Adams & Hannah Pollock Ruddick. I do not think they are because they are on my tree & have no William Henry born to them. They had a Henry William born 1870 St Pancras but he married a Miriam Harriet Annie Browne 30/10/1906.

Does your friend want to know any more, and if so, what?
Or is she happy with what we've found?

Thank you all for your messages. I have contacted the person I am helping & she tells me Wendy was Annabell W. It would make researching easier if we start with the correct names.

1901

Name: William Adams
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Elizabeth Adams
Birth Place: St Pancras, London, England
Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Plaistow
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1573
Folio: 129
Page Number: 27
Household schedule number: 161
Household Members:
Name Age
William Adams 31
Elizabeth Adams 32
Elizabeth T Adams 8
Kathleen M Adams 5
Winnifred R Adams 2
Maud S Adams 3/12

1911

Name: Frederick George Adams
Age in 1911: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Plaistow, Essex
Civil Parish: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: 37 Clegg Street, Plaistow, Eseex
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: West Ham
Registration District Number: 188
Sub-registration district: Plaistow
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household schedule number: 337
Piece: 9430
Household Members:
Name Age
William Henry Adams 40
Elizabeth Adams 42
Elizabeth Thirza Adams 19
Winnifred Rebecca Adams 13
Maud Sybil Adams 11
Frederick George Adams 1
Edward Kelly 34

You don't say if you have Frederick's death record or not.

If not, here it is:

Frederick George Adams
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Frederick George Adams
Death Age: 66
Birth Date: 10 Oct 1909
Registration Date: Jun 1976
Registration district: Salisbury
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume: 23
Page: 1966


He was buried 20/06/1976 in area A of Amesbury Cemetery, Amesbury, Wilts.

https://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/gravedetails.php?grave=371405

Annabel W Adams married 1963 to Peter M Berchtold had daugther 1970.

A tree on here by Julie has the daughter born 1970 and also son born 1968 and
Frederick Adams 1909
Paul 1935
Wendy 1942 same as Annabel.

So maybe you should contact Julie. number 12941915

Maryb.

Paul died 1979

View England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Paul Christopher Adams
Death Age: 44
Birth Date: 19 May 1935
Registration Date: Sep 1979
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Inferred County: Tyne and Wear
Volume: 2
Page: 0704

Ties with 1939 records


Name: Paul Adams
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 19 May 1935
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 'hunsonby' Clifton Road
Residence Place: Worthing, Sussex, England
Occupation: Under School Age
Schedule Number: 323
Sub Schedule Number: 3
Enumeration District: EMJR
Registration district: 84/1
Inferred Father: Frederick Adams insurance broker incapacitated
Inferred Mother: Laura Adams trained general nurse
Household Members:
Name
Frederick Adams
Levina Adams
Paul Adams
Hubert Waldron
Margaret Warn

Long shot but could this be Wendy
Annabel W Adams born 1942 in Cumberland V10 P 905 or on Freebmd P1755 mum nee Burton

Only one I can find,also couldn't find death for Paul born 1935 died 1975.

Maryb

What info are you hoping for?