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Thank you RockyMountainShy - glad to be of help.

This is a link to the ships manifest showing Alice and Ethel:

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/passenger-lists/passenger-lists-quebec-port-1865-1900/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=3314647&

You will note that Ethel has been mistranscribed as Ethel Bessie Dault but if you check the original it is certainly her.

Dea x

Ethel Bartlett
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: Ethel Bartlett - occupation = 'operator'
Arrival Age: 24
Birth Date: abt 1896
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival date: 6 Jun 1920
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Megantic
Shipping line: White Star Dominion Line
Official Number: 127981
Search Ship Database: Search for the Megantic in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

NB. - Also travelling was Alice Brown - housewife, aged 43.
The interesting thing was that they were intending to remain permanently in England ???

You say in your first post that you have Alice and William in Toronto in 1947 ? - what details do you have on this please?

Dea x

Could this possibly be Alice returning to Canada? She's with William Edwin Brown, a fitter. They are returning Canadians and say they have lived in Canada for 10 years, 1910-1920.


Alice Brown
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name:
Alice Brown
Gender:
Female
Arrival Age:
43
Birth Year:
abt 1877
Departure Port:
Antwerp, Belgium and Southampton, England
Arrival date:
8 Nov 1920
Arrival Port:
Quebec, Canada
Vessel:
Scandinavian

Yes, that does seem to be them Margaret - thanks.

It would appear that Ethel stayed in England (where by the way, she married very well). I don't see William going over to England, he wasn't with Alice and Ethel when they went over earlier in the year.

I wonder if she had decided to stay in England as stated in the ships manifest for her travel to England and therefore he may have followed her over and persuaded her to return?? I suppose we will never know?

Dea x

Name: William Edwin Brown
Gender: Male
Arrival Age: 45
Birth Year: abt 1875
Departure Port: Antwerp, Belgium and Southampton, England
Arrival date: 8 Nov 1920
Arrival Port: Quebec, Canada
Vessel: Scandinavian
Search Ship Database: Search for the Scandinavian in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

with alice

a tree on ancestry (wont open ) suggest williiam dies 1967 in toronto

But William seems to be on the same ship arriving 6 June 1920, Liverpool but not listed with Alice and Ethel.


William Brown
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name:
William Brown
Arrival Age:
45
Birth Date:
abt 1875
Port of Departure:
Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival date:
6 Jun 1920
Port of Arrival:
Liverpool, England
Ship Name:
Megantic
Shipping line:
White Star Dominion Line

Ahhah !! - They ARE travelling together and indeed listed together but the pages of the manifest have been photocopied and stapled together in the wrong order !!

William is at the bottom of page 3 and Alice + Ethel are at the top of page 4 - However, inbetween those two pages when you look at the records page 5 has been put in the wrong place so if you check the previous and next pages for the 'Brown's', you will not see them connected!

How very dare they !!!!!!!!! ;-) :-D :-D :-S

Thanks MargaretM xx

Dea x

Thank you, Dea, I had noticed that William's name was at the bottom of a page and Alice & Ethel at the top of another one and thought that they must have been together but after going to previous page and next page couldn't see it. Silly me, never thought to check page numbers.

I had them returning, although I never said anything, because I never found them leaving. I did wonder why they went back, but going back to drop off Ethel is a very good reason. I have Ethel marrying a Bennet is he wealthy?

The only reason I know where she was in 1947 is because on her uncles landing card he was going to a "Mrs. A. Brown, 365 Oakwood Ave, Toronto Canada. Frank and his father James landed in New York on their way to Canada. I also know he lived with them until his marriage in 1950, but Great Uncle Frank died three years ago so I can't ask him any questions :-(

I haven't looked into him fully but there is LOADS of info to be found online.

He is:

Cecil Reginald Percival Bennett CBE
1896–1976

He appears to have had a very distinguished career in the Royal Navy. He has a CBE and I believe an OBE and his portrait hangs in the National Portrait Gallery in London.

Here is a link to the portrait:

https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait-list.php?search=sp&OConly=true&sText=Cecil%20Reginald%20Percival%20Bennett

Dea x