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Looks like the witnesses to Edward and Annie's marriage married later.

Patrick O'Gorman
Party 2 Name Mary Aylward
Date of Event 15 June 1926
Group Registration ID 1158825
SR District/Reg Area Enniscorthy

Thank you for all your help re Birth and Marriage details, all sounds as if it could fit together. Will order Marriage cert and fingers crossed she named her Father.

Ordered Marriage Certificate as you advised and guess what Father's name --------- Father's occupation --------

It looks as though you will need the birth cert if you are to make any progress at all.

Does anyone know the best place to order the Irish certificate from please

Rootgatherer is there a birth for the Patrick O Gorman who's marriage you posted for me Please

PATRICK O GORMAN
Date of Birth 11 February 1900
Group Registration ID 114401
SR District/Reg Area Enniscorthy
Sex Male
Mother's Birth Surname O KEEFFE (Mary)
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Father: James, a farmer

Census Years1911WexfordClonrocheKillegneyResidents of a house
Residents of a house 8 in Killegney (Clonroche, Wexford)

O'Gorman James 62 Male Head of Family Catholic Co Wexford Magistrate Farmer Can read or write - Married - 13 7 7
O'Gorman Mary 43 Female Wife Catholic Co Wexford - Can read or write - Married - 13 7 7
O'Gorman Patrick 11 Male Son Catholic Co Wexford Scholar Can read or write - Single - - - -
O'Gorman Loughlin U 10 Male Son Catholic Co Wexford Scholar Can read or write - Single - - - -
O'Gorman Lilly 9 Female Daughter Catholic Co Wexford - Can read or write - Single - - - -
O'Gorman John 7 Male Son Catholic Co Wexford Scholar Cant read or write - Single - - - -
O'Gorman Mark 6 Male Son Catholic Co Wexford Scholar Cant read or write - Single - - - -
O'Gorman Bridget 3 Female Daughter Catholic Co Wexford Scholar Cant read or write - Single - - - -
O'Gorman Johanna 2 Female Daughter Catholic Co Wexford Scholar Cant read or write - Single - - - -
OKeeffe Johanna 41 Female Sister in Law Catholic Co Wexford - Can read and write - Single - - - -
Warren Bridget 18 Female Servant Catholic Co Wexford - Can read and write - Single - - - -
Quigley Timothy 50 Male Servant Catholic Co Wexford Farm Servant Cant read or write - Single - - - -
Leary Thomas 19 Male Servant Catholic Co Wexford Farm Servant Can read and write - Single - - - -
Leary Patrick 14 Male Servant Catholic Co Wexford Farm Servant Can read and write - Single - - - -

thank you , could you please see if Edward was part of that 1911 family in 1901

You can search the Irish Census for 1901 and 1911 yourself, it is a free site:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/

but here is the family in 1901, no Edward. However on the marriage cert for Edward and Anne, it said his father was Patrick O'Gorman, tailor.

Residents of a house 19 in Killegney (Clonroche, Wexford)

O'Gorman James 50 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Wexford Magistrate Read and write English Married -
O'Gorman Mary 32 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Wexford Magistrate Wife Read and write English Married -
O'Gorman Patk 1 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Wexford Son Scholar Cannot read English Not Married -
O'Gorman Loughlin Male Son Roman Catholic Co Wexford Son Scholar Cannot read English Not Married -
Kielty Bridget 23 Female Servant Roman Catholic Co Wexford Servant Read and write English Not Married -
Nolan Katie 17 Female Servant Roman Catholic Co Wexford Servant Read and write English Not Married -
Quigly Tim 40 Male Servant Roman Catholic Co Wexford Servant Cannot read English Not Married -
Hennessy Thos 30 Male Servant Roman Catholic Co Wexford Servant Cannot read English

Getting hold of Irish certs:

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do

(20 euros for cert, but for genealogy purposes you can order an uncertified copy which is essentially a photocopy for 4 euros.)

You can only order the full certs online, but can download forms to send by post:

https://www.hse.ie/eng/births-deaths-and-marriages/get-certificates-online/

Elizabeth, I think Edward may be a red herring. I suspect that there may be no father named on Eliza's birth certificate. Of course it is always possible that she didn't have a copy of her birth certificate and her father had died when she was very young and she had no recollection of him but you would have thought that the family who reared her would have been able to tell her who her parents were. I suspect that she was illegitimate and given up for adoption hence no siblings.

Please come back and let us know when you get her birth certificate.

A possibility perhaps???

I’m wondering about the possibility that Edward’s father on the marriage certificate could have been recorded by mistake as Patrick (as there was a witness Patrick (possibly Edward’s brother) also Annie’s father was Patrick) and should have been recorded as William

The marriage certificate in 1921 for Edward and Annie records Edward as aged 25 (so born c1896) with father named as Patrick O’Gorman, occupation Tailor but there does not appear to be any Edward O’Gorman/Gorman with a father named Patrick who has an occupation as a Tailor born between 1894-1898.

There is however this birth for an Edward with father recorded as William (occupation: Tailor):

Carlow 20th March 1896:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02181/1825896.pdf

William and Johanna were married in 1895 (last entry)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10518/5831170.pdf

Other children of this couple:
John born 1898 (1st entry):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02093/1798108.pdf

Patrick born 1900 (6th entry): POSSIBLY WITNESS TO EDWARD AND ANNIE’S MARRIAGE (and possibly the same Patrick who marries Mary Aylward in 1926)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/02005/1770997.pdf

Mary Anne born 1901 (4th entry)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01931/1747601.pdf

This Mary Anne is living with her grandmother Sarah Maher in the 1911 census (see census below)

This looks to be the family in the 1901 census:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Fennagh/Ballyknockan_Town/1042410/

Looking at this census Johanna was recorded as being born in County Wexford and on her marriage certificate her father is recorded as John Maher, occupation Shoemaker.

Birth reg for Johanna in Enniscorthy (6th entry down):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03526/2297552.pdf

William Gorman dies in 1901 aged 35: (4th entry down)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05710/4610823.pdf

Johanna returns to Wexford and remarries in 1909 to Bernard McGrath (2nd entry down):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1910/10003/5638047.pdf

Link to the 1911 census for the family (Bernard has been mistakenly recorded as Bryan):
(NOTE: The family are living in Ballyhogue (Edward was living at Ballyhogue when he died in 1963) which is approximately 5km from Knockduff (Edward was living at Knockduff Bree when he married in 1921)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Ballyhoge/Ballyhoge/676501/

For confirmation birth reg for son Bernard (shows mother’s maiden name Maher and father as Bernard):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01557/1629159.pdf

This places the family in Enniscorthy where Edward marries Annie Aylward in 1921. Also this birth records Bernard as a railway employee and Edward also works for the railway as a signalman in 1921.

DEATHS;
Death for son Bernard McGrath aged 17 in 1927 (last entry):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1927/04974/4355205.pdf

Death for Bernard McGrath aged 70 in 1931 (8th entry):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1931/04902/4328930.pdf

Death reg for Johnaana McGrath in 1937 aged 70 (6th entry):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1937/04773/4280582.pdf



Marriage for John O’Gorman in 1939:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1939/08861/5204427.pdf

Possible death for John O’Gorman (8th entry):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1943/04668/4243153.pdf



Possible marriage for John Maher and Sarah Murphy (parents of Johanna)
Marriage of John Maher in 1865
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Enniscorthy
Returns Year 1865
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 4
Returns Page No 895

Possible 1901 census:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Enniscorthy_Rural/Ballycourcy_More/1786900/

Death for John Maher aged 71 in 1910 (6th entry)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05409/4511503.pdf

1911 census for Sarah Maher:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Edermine/Ballybanoge/679099/

Possible death for Sarah Maher 1916 (9th entry):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05228/4447524.pdf

The death posted for Edward O’Gorman in 1963 records he was from Ballyhogue, Enniscorthy RD
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1963/04279/4100743.pdf

The census entry with Bernard recorded as Bryan may not be a mistake. I have come across this before and it would seem that in Ireland Bernard and Bryan are interchangeable.