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ArgyllGran
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3 Nov 2018 21:16 |
There are no Peter Mc/MacKinnons born in Scotland 1851-1854 with father's name John, per SP.
EDIT: The only one 1845-54 is the Snizort one - but I don't think he's the right one.
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ArgyllGran
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3 Nov 2018 21:05 |
The Snizort Peter doesn't look like the right one - apart from age difference: His father was a farmer / crofter
John Mckinnon in the 1851 Scotland Census Name: John Mckinnon Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796 Relationship: Head Spouse: Janet Mckinnon Gender: Male Where born: Bracadale, Inverness Parish Number: 117 Civil Parish: Snizort County: Inverness Address: Glengrasgo Occupation: Farmer Of 4 Acres ED: 5 Page: 20 Household schedule number: 72 LINE: 15 Roll: CSSCT1851_28 Household Members: Name Age John Mckinnon 55 Janet Mckinnon 40 Malcom Mckinnon 19 Christian Mckinnon 17 Duncan Mckinnon 7 Peter Mckinnon 5
John Mackinnon in the 1861 Scotland Census Name: John Mackinnon Age: 65 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Jannet Mackinnon Mother's name: Margaret Mcinnes Gender: Male Where born: Bracadale, inverness co Registration Number: 117 Registration district: Snizort Civil Parish: Snizort County: Inverness Address: Glengrasgo Occupation: Crofter ED: 4 Household schedule number: 22 LINE: 19 Roll: CSSCT1861_16 Household Members: Name Age John Mackinnon 65 Jannet Mackinnon 51 Christy Mackinnon 26 Roderick Mcleod 8 Mo Duncan Mckinnon 18 Peter Mckinnon 15 Margaret Mcinnes 53 Catherine Mcinnes 28 John Mckinnon Mcinnes 18
Peter's not with his parents in 1871. Possibly this is him - a farm servanat;
Peter Mackinnon in the 1871 Scotland Census Name: Peter Mackinnon Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relationship: Servant Gender: Male Where born: Snizort, Parish of Registration Number: 117/2 Registration district: South Snizort Civil Parish: Snizort County: Invernessshire Address: Skerinish 7 Occupation: Farm Servt ED: 4 Household schedule number: 40 LINE: 8 Roll: CSSCT1871_22 Household Members: Name Age William MacDonald 48 William Bethune 66 Isabella Bethune 64 Ann McPherson 50 Jessie Ross 26 Christy Mckinnon 37 Christy Ross 21 Peter Mackinnon 22
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3 Nov 2018 19:59 |
???? from scotlands people
MACKINNON PETER JOHN MACKINNON/JANET CAMERON FR62 (FR62) M 26/06/1847 117/ 10 94 Snizort
Snizort Snizort is an area of the Isle of Skye comprising the head of Loch Snizort and the western coast of Trotternish up to Uig, which is the largest settlement. Wikipedia
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ErikaH
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3 Nov 2018 19:25 |
Sorry to play devil's advocate, but, as things stand, there is no proof that Peter's father was John Mckinnon
He named him when he married, but I'm assuming that he wasn't a witness to the marriage, or I think you'd have mentioned it.
As for Martha's birth cert - for the father to be named, he would have had to be present, and there would have been two entries on the GRO register - one in each surname.
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ErikaH
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3 Nov 2018 19:05 |
From the Ancestry tree
Mary Flora McKennon
Birth 29 Mar 1882 • Redruth, England, United Kingdom 2 Sources 1882
(AGE)
Marriage Jul 1902 • Glamorgan, Monmouthshire, Wales
William Henry Cook (1876–1930)
1 Source 1902
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Birth of Daughter Ethel Jane Grieve Cook(1905–1998) 22 Mar 1905 • Glamorgan, Monmouthshire, United Kingdom 1905
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Birth of Son William Andrew Gordon Cook(1913–1989) 4/3/1913 • Barry 1913
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Birth of Son Thomas Albert Cook(1918–2003) 3 Sep 1918 • Barry, Glamorgan, Wales 1918
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Death of Husband William Henry Cook(1876–1930) 1 May 1930 • Barry, Glamorgan, Wales 1930
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Death 29 Dec 1954 • Barry, Glamorgan, Wales
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ErikaH
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3 Nov 2018 18:54 |
A tree on Ancestry has this as Mary Flora's marriage.........has her birth date as 29th March 1882
Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%) Cook William Henry Cardiff 11a 610 Mackinnon Mary Florence Cardiff 11a 610
Wonder what she said about her father?
Their first child
Name: Ethel Jane G Cook Registration Year: 1905 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Cardiff Inferred County: Glamorgan Volume: 11a Page: 493
Her marriage
Marriages Mar 1926 (>99%)
Conibear John H Cock Cardiff 11a 569 Cook Ethel J Conibear Cardiff 11a 569
1939
18 Robert Street , Barry M.B., Glamorganshire, Wales
Ethel J Conibear 23 Mar 1905 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 240 2 John H Conibear 16 Feb 1904 Male Wharf Labourer Married 240 1 Robert W Conibear 22 Jan 1931 Male At School Single 240 3 Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record. Mary F Owen (Conibear) 21 May 1934 Female At School Single 240 5 Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record. Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
18 Robert Street , Barry M.B., Glamorganshire, Wales
Mary F Cook 29 Mar 1881 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 239 1
A year out on the birth, but that's not uncommon
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Sharon
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3 Nov 2018 18:19 |
Yes, good point about Peter's father's occupation although again, to see such beautiful handwriting suggests to me that he was well educated.
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Sharon
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3 Nov 2018 17:57 |
Yes, that's a really good idea Erika. I'll see what I can find on the baptism record (if I can find it). Thank you.
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ErikaH
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3 Nov 2018 17:55 |
I think Mary's being recorded by the maiden name in 1881 is probably down to an error on the part of the enumerator - perhaps copying incorrectly from the indivdual sheets to the census page
I'll be surprised if a father is named on Martha's birth cert - but I hope for your sake that the info is recorded
A baptism record might be more informative
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Sharon
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3 Nov 2018 17:36 |
Hi Erika - I don't want to give up on the McKinnon link just yet as I had my daughter when I was unmarried and her dad and I only got round to putting his name on her birth certificate when she was about fifteen! I probably need to find out how long Peter might have been away for as my dad (who was a Captain at sea so there's possible a seafaring gene there) used to be away for about eighteen months at a time when I was a child. It's certainly a puzzle.
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Sharon
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3 Nov 2018 17:24 |
There's so much information to work through - so thank you everybody!
It will certainly be interesting to see what Martha's birth certificate brings. Either Peter was the father and was away at sea not realising that Mary was pregnant or as Erika has said, he wasn't the father. Having said that, he was taking her on with a babe in arms when he married her in December 1879 and I wonder how many men would have been prepared to do that if the child wasn't theirs.
It is indeed a bit weird that Mary goes by her maiden name in the 1881 census despite being married to Peter and also presumably possibly being pregnant with her second child.
I'm not sure about the listing on the Census in 1871 which gives Peter as from Falkirk as it says he's a farm servant. His signature is that of an educated person - very flowing and confident plus his father is an Engineer so a professional person and in 1871 it would have been a big jump for his dad to go from being a Labourer to an Engineer (very confusing - I had found this listing myself and until I received the marriage certificate thought it was the most likely one).
Fascinating the court appearance. I shall have to have a closer look at that. Sorry also re the mis-type on my part - it is indeed Mary Elizabeth, not Margaret Elizabeth.
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Sharon
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3 Nov 2018 17:07 |
Also, Erika H in 1881, Peter's wife and child were living with her parents William and Mary Mitchell at the same address as listed on her marriage certificate to Peter. She is still listed as married at this time and Martha is 4 years old (1881 Census). That's very interesting your finding the listing for another child - and I agree, it's very likely that this is Martha's sister and that Peter was, therefore, still alive in 1893. I haven't yet read the listing about his court appearance! I was just following your thread first. Thank you Erika - this is brilliant. Sharon
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Sharon
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3 Nov 2018 16:56 |
Sorry - I had to go out for a while. I will answer the responses in the order they've come in. Erika H - re Martha Louisa's birth certificate. I have ordered one from the Cornwall Records Office so am waiting for that to arrive at present.
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ErikaH
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3 Nov 2018 14:53 |
Just because Mary said she was a widow, doesn't necessarily mean that she was one!
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ErikaH
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3 Nov 2018 14:52 |
1871
Name: Peter Mckennan Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relationship: Son Father's name: John Mckennan Mother's name: Mary Mckennan Gender: Male Where born: Falkirk, Stirling Registration Number: 646/3 Registration district: Partick Civil Parish: Govan Town: Partick County: Lanarkshire Address: 192 Castlebank St Occupation: Farm Servant ED: 10 Household schedule number: 147 LINE: 22 Roll: CSSCT1871_144 Household Members: Name Age John Mckennan 46 Shipbuilder's labourer Mary Mckennan 55 Peter Mckennan 21 Catherine Mckennan 19 Malcolm Mckennan 16
1861 Name: John Mckinnon Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Mary Mckinnon Gender: Male Where born: Skye, Invernesshire************************************************ Registration Number: 479/2 Registration district: Falkirk Landward Civil Parish: Falkirk Landward County: Stirlingshire Address: 4 Underwood Occupation: Labourer In Chemicab Work ED: 10 Household schedule number: 114 LINE: 3 Roll: CSSCT1861_64 Household Members: Name Age John Mckinnon 37 Mary Mckinnon 44 Peter Mckinnon 11 Catherine Mckinnon 9 Malcolm Mckinnon 6
Peter's info about his father's occ may be inaccurate.............he wouldn't be the first to try to impress the in-laws
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Maddie
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3 Nov 2018 14:49 |
from a tree on ancestry Death 1880 - 1886
Peter MacKinnon died after his marriage to Mary Elizabeth Mitchell as she is named as a widow on the certificate of her second marriage to George Hall on 26 December 1887. I have yet to find out when and where Peter died.
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ErikaH
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3 Nov 2018 14:45 |
Even if Peter died at sea, his death should be registered - normally at the first port of call thereafter
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ErikaH
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3 Nov 2018 14:44 |
Mary F Mckennel on 1891 must be a child of the marriage...............
Births Jun 1882 (>99%) McKennon Mary Flora Redruth 5c 243
So, unless Mary was playing away, Peter was alive towards the end of 1881
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Certainly around in 1883 in view of the posting above of his court appearance
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3 Nov 2018 14:42 |
Is this the family in Phillick/Phillack, Cornwall in 1881? Mary E. is listed as married but she's Mitchell same as her mother.
Mary Mitchell 70 , head, widow Charles Mitchell 35 , son, unmarried Mary E. Mitchell 25 , daughter, married Martha Mitchell 4 , daughter, unmarried
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ErikaH
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3 Nov 2018 14:40 |
1891
William A Lawry Head Widower Male 75 1816 Tin Dresser Cornwall, England Mary J Pengelly Niece Single Female 41 1850 - Cornwall, England Rebecca M Pengelly Niece Single Female 31 1860 - Cornwall, England Martha L McKennan Visitor Single Female 13 1878 - Cornwall, England
Image shows Martha's birthplace as Phillack, Hayle
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