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Looks good, Det!

Yes,seems to be the Edsers' house, and they had some lodgers.

And then in 1932 he (maybe) went to Portugal .

What do you think???

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Spencer George Lewis
Year: 1931
County or Borough: Newham
Ward or Division/Constituency: Woolwich
Street address: 11 Brookhill Road

Other names listed
Edser, Charles Leonard
Edser, Amelia Mercy
Burgess, Frank
Roberts, Violet May
Petre, Mercy Enid

None of the other names seem familiar. It could be a lodging house?

I've checked the address in 1939 Register. Only Charles L Edser is still there. The rest all have different surnames. He's been widowed, with an occupation of Fitter, Engineering.

Yet another mystery left hanging :-0

Never mind. Thank you all for your help.

George Spencer Lewis from Detroit is definitely ruled out, but -

don't rule out the Spencer Lewis who travelled with the Fieldman family, Det.

We can't tell if he's the right one or not.

Morning Helpers.

Thank you so much for your overnight & earlier efforts.

As Charles Pay remarried, it more or less confirms that the Milton death for Ellen Pay is Ellen Chapman. I’ll certainly add his death but not the additional wife etc.

Thank you also for digging around for the Spencer Lewis from the passenger list. It’s good to be able to rule that one out. May be, one day, the correct one will pop out of the woodwork!

Julia Wills
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Julia Wills
Age in 1911: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Sheerness, Kent
Civil Parish: Rainham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: 5 King Edwards, Viivillas, Bredhurst Lane, Rainham, Kent
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: servant
Registration district: Milton
Registration District Number: 61
Sub-registration district: Milton
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 168
Piece: 4429
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Trevelyan Wright 32
Mary Wright 32
Cecilia Mary Wright 1
Charles Herbert Neville Wright 4/12
Ellen Elizabeth Manclark 60
Helen Mary Manclark 21
Julia Wills 40


Probably Julia's first marriage:

Marriages Sep 1905 (>99%)
Costin Julia Milton 2a 2031
WILLS James Milton 2a 2031

EDIT:

Actually 1905 was her second marriage of three.
This is the first one:

Marriages Jun 1893 (>99%)
Fisher Francis Stephen Dartford 2a 881
Kite Julia Dartford 2a 881


Julia Costin
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Julia Costin
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: William Costin
Birth Place: Sheerness, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Sheerness
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Sheppey
Sub-registration district: Minster
ED, institution, or vessel: 07
Neighbors:
Piece: 813
Folio: 102
Page Number: 14
Household schedule number: 99
Household Members:
Name Age
William Costin 35
Julia Costin 27
Julia Fisher 5
Frank Fisher 3
William Costin 1


The children's mms is Kite.

Just out of interest ...... Charles Pay from the National Burial Index

National Burial Index For England & Wales

First name(s) Charles
Last name Pay
Birth year -
Death year 1932
Burial year 1932
Burial date 25 Jun 1932
Church Cemetery
Denomination Cemetery
Place Sheppey
County Kent
Country England
Record set National Burial Index For England & Wales
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England


and Julia .......

First name(s) Julia
Last name Pay
Birth year -
Death year 1936
Burial year 1936
Burial date 21 Dec 1936
Church Cemetery
Denomination Cemetery
Place Sheppey
County Kent
Country England
Record set National Burial Index For England & Wales
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England

I know it's nothing to do with Det's Lewises and Pays, but came across this, so thought I'd just post it for interest.

MISSING
Fieldman, John Donald, pilot, RAF, reported missing, on active service, Sept 1941, only son of J D Fieldman, of Ipswich. Parents beg information.

John Donald Fieldman
in the England, Andrews Newspaper Index Cards, 1790-1976
Name: John Donald Fieldman
Father's name: J D Fieldman
Publication Date: 3 Nov 1941


FIELDMAN
Sergeant 1375183
JOHN DONALD
Sunday, September 7, 1941
Age 19 RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL Panel 43.
Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Son of Mr & Mrs John D Fieldman of Ipswich, Suffolk.
United Kingdom



John Fieldman senior died in 1985 in Frinton-on-Sea, seven days before his 93rd birthday.

Did Charles marry again????????????

Marriages Dec 1912 (>99%)

Pay Charles Wills Sheppey 2a 2313
Wills Julia Pay Sheppey 2a 2313

It's possible if the DOB is wrong - which is not unheard of!.

Leslie Charles was born June qr 1911.

EDIT:

Or more likely that's this Charles:

Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
PAY Charles Pay Eastry 2a 2123

?????????????????

from ancestry

1939 England and Wales Register

Name: Charles Pay
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 31 Jul 1911
Residence Year: 1939
Address: Maroladene
Residence Place: Deal, Kent, England
Occupation: Waiter
Schedule Number: 71
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: DHIL
Registration district: 64/4
Inferred Spouse: Ethel Pay
Household Members:
Name
Charles Pay
Ethel Pay


Name: Ethel Pay
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 9 Feb 1902
Residence Year: 1939
Address: Maroladene


from Freebmd ........

Marriages Mar 1935 (>99%)
Dixon Ethel Pay Eastry 2a 2057
PAY Charles Dixon Eastry 2a 2057


Possible ???????????????

Maybe the Spencer who travelled with the Fieldmans stayed in Portugal - in which case we won't find any more about him.


John and Norah in 1939 at 29 Roehampton Lane, with housekeeper Doris and one closed record.

Norah Fieldman
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Norah Fieldman
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 19 Dec 1900
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 29
Residence Place: Wandsworth, London, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 78
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: AXYW
Registration district: 24-5.
Inferred Spouse: John Fieldman
Household Members:
Name
John Fieldman - coat (mantle) manufacturer
Norah Fieldman
Doris Meredith

?????????

NO ...... this one says he was born in the US ....... I'll leave it up to show it has been checked!!


U.S. WWII Draft Cards Young Men, 1940-1947

Name: George Spencer Lewis
Gender: Male
Race: White
Age: 33
Relationship to Draftee: Self (Head)
Birth Place: Detroit, Michigan, USA
Birth Date: 16 Jun 1907
Residence Place: Los Angeles, California, USA
Registration Date: 16 Oct 1940
Employer: Haas Baruch And Co
Weight: 182
Complexion: Light
Eye Colour: Blue
Hair Colour: Brown
Height: 5 10
Next of Kin: Susan M Seward
Household Members:
Name Relationship
George Spencer Lewis Self (Head

The Fieldmans returned to the UK from Lisbon on 13 Sep 1932. No specer shown as with them

John Fieldman, wife Norah, and son John also went to Portugal in July 1934, same street address, with Putney, London added. They returned on 28 August 1934

No Spencer with them

Here are the Fieldman family coming back to UK:

John Fieldman
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: John Fieldman
Arrival Age: 10
Birth Date: abt 1922
Port of Departure: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Arrival date: 13 Sep 1932
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Montevideo; Santos; Rio de Janerio; Pernambuco; Lisbon; Vigo; Cherbourg
Ship Name: Almanzora
Shipping line: Royal Mail Steam Packet Company
Official Number: 136353

Travelling with John and Norah.
Address: 29 Roehampton Lane, London.

Spencer Lewis isn't with them.



The Fieldmans went back and forwards a lot. The father was a company director - must have had business in Lisbon (or Buenos Aires ?).

Here's another voyage, for example:

John Donald Fieldman
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: John Donald Fieldman
Arrival Age: 12
Birth Date: abt 1922
Port of Departure: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Arrival date: 28 Aug 1934
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: New York and Cherbourg
Ship Name: Almanzora
Shipping line: Royal Mail Lines Limited
Official Number: 136353

Travelling with John and Norah.
Address: 29 Rockington Lane, London [presumably should have been Roehampton Lane ]

That's the one, ArgyllGran. Cecila R Chapman was the wife of his uncle John Frank Chapman. He was Ellen's brother.

????????????

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name: Spencer Lewis
Gender: Male
Age: 25
Birth Date: abt 1907
Departure Date: 13 Aug 1932
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Lisbon, Portugal
Ship Name: Alcantara
Search Ship Database: Search for the Alcantara in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Royal Mail Steam Packet Co
Official Number: 148151
Master: E Clarke

He seems to be travelling in First Class with the following ......

Fieldman, John 39 Director
Fieldman, Martha 27
Fieldman, John 7

Address:- 29 Roehampton Lane, Roehampton.

All say future place of Residence is England

I did find Harold John Lewis - he married Joyce Irene Cox in 1932 & died in 1961, Hastings. She died there in 1988.

Spencer George Lewis disappeared with his half-brother. Could they have been adopted or acquired foster parent's surnames?

Possibly Harold in 1939:


Harold J Lewis
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Harold J Lewis
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 2 Feb 1907
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 16 Union Rd
Residence Place: Sheppey, Kent, England
Occupation: Caterer Shop Keeper
Schedule Number: 37
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: DJRB
Registration district: 62-1
Inferred Spouse: Joyce I Lewis
Household Members:
Name
Harold J Lewis
Joyce I Lewis
This record is officially closed.
This record is officially closed.
Cecila R Chapman - 29 July 1868, widowed <<<<<
Margaret Domers


Marriage:

Joyce I Cox
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Joyce I Cox
Registration Date: Apr-May-Jun 1932
Registration district: Sheppey
Inferred County: Kent
Spouse: Harold J Lewis
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 2419


Joyce Irene Lewis
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Joyce Irene Lewis
Death Age: 75
Birth Date: 25 May 1912
Registration Date: Jan 1988
Registration district: Hastings and Rother
Inferred County: East Sussex
Volume: 18
Page: 951