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Hi Sylvia
Thank you so much for your information.
Regards
Les.

Just because it does not say on the marriage certificate that Henry was deceased does not mean that he was still alive!

The vicar could just have not asked the correct question ..........

Vicar:- "What is your father's name and occupation?"
Jane:- "Henry Wood, Plasterer"

She's answered the question AS ASKED, and not added the extra information that he was deceased (if in fact he was dead).

But if the vicar had asked either .........

"What is your father's name and occupation, and is he still alive?"

OR asked a second question:- "Is your father still alive?"

Then she would have said yes or no.

We cannot assume that he was alive in August 1871 because we do not know whether the vicar asked that question.

Similarly, we cannot assume that he is dead because the person we think might be his wife says she is a widow on a census ............... it was a convenience and face saving for her to say that if the marriage had broken up and he had left the home, leaving her with the children.


We must also remember that a child born after we think the husband might have died is not proof that we are wrong .......

........... if a married woman registers a child, her married name is her legal name, and the assumption is that her husband is the father of the child unless she says he is not ....... and that applies even if he has been dead for 10 years or longer (as I once discovered!!).

That's possible, Les.

Also possible is that he and Elizabeth may have separated, and she just said she was widowed for respectability.
Although having said that, I can't see him in censuses after 1851 (or before, for that matter.)

Hi everyone.

With the greatest respect and despite all your efforts with some possible answers it seems none can take me any further in proving Jane's mother etc.
I have been over and over everything and maybe have to accept a brickwall.
I'm wondering if the m cert of Jane showing father Henry should have shown him deceased.
Could it be possible??
I thank you all.
Les

I was looking at this death for Henry but it is after the 1861 census??


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WOOD, HENRY 38 Order
GRO Reference: 1863 M Quarter in NEWINGTON Volume 01D Page 174 Order

Dea x

I don't see the births of William, Henry, or Jane with mms either Middleton or Croxford, nor any marriage of the parents.

Other peculiarities:

1851 says John Middleton was Henry's brother-in-law. However, he was born in Norwich, as other censuses agree, and Elizabeth was born in Oxfordshire.

The twins in 1861 census have mms Croxford, not Middleton:


WOOD, ALFRED HENRY mms CROXFORD
GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in NEWINGTON Volume 01D Page 243

WOOD, SARAH ANN mms CROXFORD
GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in NEWINGTON Volume 01D Page 243


If Henry did die between 1851 and 1861, he must have died 1860-61, assuming all the children are his.
I don't see any likely death, unless he wasn't in either Hackney or Newington at the time.

Hi Abby.
I think you mayhave solved it, the only query is the 1861census shows Elizabeth as a widow but Henry is not deceased on 1871 marriage of Jane!I will sort it all out on laptop later. Many thanks.

You guys never cease to amaze me. Thank you to all who responded. :-) :-)
Regards Les.

PROBLEM .....

that 1871 Census posted by malyon ....................

England and Wales Census, 1871

Name: Jane Wood
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Event Place: Bethnal Green, London, Middlesex, England
Enumeration District: 11
Gender: Female
Age: 18
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Fancy Trimmer
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated): 1853
Birthplace: Bethnal Green, Middlesex
Entry Number: 11
Affiliate Image Identifier: GBC/1871/0493/0149
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Henry Wood Head Male 53 Bethnal Green, Middlesex
Mary Ann Wood Daughter Female 20 Bethnal Green, Middlesex
Jane Wood Daughter Female 18 Bethnal Green, Middlesex
Rebecca Wood Daughter Female 15 Bethnal Green, Middlesex


I've just looked at the image on FMP, and Henry's occupation is shown as CARMAN

Les posted that Jane's marriage certificate shows Henry's occupation as PLASTERER


It's not impossible that he changed occupations between the census and Jane's marriage, but I'd say it was unlikely in the short time span.


FWIW ............ Jane and Robert married in August .........

London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932

Name: Jane Wood
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1852
Marriage Date: 22 Aug 1871
Marriage Place: Emmanuel, Camberwell, Southwark, England
Father: Henry Wood
Spouse: Robert Godsall
Register Type: Parish Register

Record Transcription:
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

2, Trafalgar Street, St Mary Newington, Newington, London & Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Elizabeth Wood Head Widow Female 36 1825 Laundress Oxfordshire, England
Henry Wood Son - Male 12 1849 - Hackney, Middlesex, England
William Wood Son - Male 10 1851 - Hackney, Middlesex, England
Jane Wood Daughter - Female 8 1853 - Hackney, Middlesex, England xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sarah A Wood Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Surrey, England
Alfred H Wood Son - Male 0 1861 - Surrey, England

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Record Transcription:
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Henry Wood's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Wood Head Married Male 27 1824 Builder Briston, Somerset, England
Elizabeth Wood Wife Married Female 26 1825 - Oxfordshire, England
Henry Wood Son - Male 2 1849 - Islington, Middlesex, England
William Wood Son - Male 0 1851 - Hackney, Middlesex, England
John Middleton Brother In Law Unmarried Male 20 1831 Plasterer Norwich, Norfolk, England

Thanks again, I'll do some digging tomorrow.

WOOD, MARY ANN RICHARDS Order
GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 02 Page 75

WOOD, JANE SARAH RICHARDS Order
GRO Reference: 1852 D Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 282

Marriages Mar 1839

RICHARDS Mary Ann Whitechapel 2 376 view

Wood Henry Francis Whitechapel 2 376

Marriages Jun 1851

Wood Henry Bethnal Gn 2 4
DAVIES Mary Ann Bethnal G 2 4

Malyon.
Thank You so much for your help

bethnal green is in hackney i lived there once

Kingsland was a small road-side settlement centred on Kingsland High Street on the Old North Road, around the junction with Dalston Lane now a suburb in hackney parish

Hi Malyon
I did see this one but was not sure if Bethnal Green was near/in Kingsland Middx.?

On a number of census when she is married they all show as born Kingsland.
Thank You, I will dig into this census a bit more.

Jane Sarah Wood
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975





Name: Jane Sarah Wood
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 26 Sep 1852
Christening Date (Original): 26 SEP 1852
Christening Place: SAINT MATTHEW,BETHNAL GREEN,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 02 Sep 1852
Father's Name: Henry Francis Wood
Mother's Name: Mary Ann