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Ronald

Ronald Report 23 Nov 2018 19:35

Yes, Greyghost, it is.

greyghost

greyghost Report 23 Nov 2018 19:33

This will be the Charlotte aged 2 on 1881 census

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
SCOTT, CHARLOTTE FORBS Order
GRO Reference: 1879 M Quarter in SAINT OLAVE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 243

and the death of the child found by poster -

Name: Age at Death (in years): Order:
SCOTT, MARTHA CHARLOTTE 2 Order
GRO Reference: 1876 S Quarter in SAINT OLAVE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 124 Order

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 23 Nov 2018 19:30

Has anyone managed to find a birth registration for Charlotte Martha under either Wilkinson OR Forbes??

I can't!

Ronald

Ronald Report 23 Nov 2018 19:29

Hi +++DetEcTive+++, I understand what you're saying but the address is identical in the birth and marriage certificates, despite mmn being different.

Ronald

Ronald Report 23 Nov 2018 19:23

Hi MargaretM, yes that's possible, but Joseph was born in 1881, 6 years after the marriage and the mother's maiden name was still Wilkinson. Also, Henry is shown as a bachelor, although I know people often lied about things.

greyghost

greyghost Report 23 Nov 2018 19:23

Is this the family in 1881 ?

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
3, Woolff Street, Bermondsey, St Olave Southwark, London & Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas H Martin Head Married Male 45 1836 Grocers Porter Barking, Essex, England
Harriet Martin Wife Married Female 50 1831 - Richmond, Surrey, England
Christopher J Martin Son Single Male 18 1863 Butchers Boy Surrey, England
Caroline H Martin Daughter Single Female 17 1864 Shop Girl Surrey, England
Thomas L Martin Son Single Male 15 1866 Machine Rulen Appr (Printer) Surrey, England
Sarah Martin Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Shop Girl Surrey, England
Martha Scott Wife Married Female 27 1854 Clipper Surrey, England
Henry Scott Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar Surrey, England
William Scott Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Surrey, England
Charlotte Scott Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Surrey, England

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 23 Nov 2018 19:21

?????? Names switched round???

London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917

Name: Charlotte Martha Wilkinson
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 4 Apr 1852
Baptism Place: Bermondsey St James, Southwark, England
Father: George Wilkinson - Iron Moulder
Mother: Sarah Wilkinson
Residence 11 Anns Place
Date of birth - 6 Feb 1852

Unless George Wilkinson died & Henry Forbes was her stepfather, it does seem as if they were 2 different people

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 23 Nov 2018 19:16

3 of those children were born before Henry's marriage to Martha Charlotte Forbes. Could he have been previously married to a Wilkinson?

Ronald

Ronald Report 23 Nov 2018 19:00

Good afternoon,
I have the marriage certificate of Henry Scott and Martha Charlotte Forbes, 8 July 1875 at Christ Church in the New Parish Church, Bermondsey, Surrey.
Henry is shown as full age, bachelor, leather dresser, 8 George Row, father Henry Scott, Potman.
Martha is shown as full age, spinster, no occupation, same address, father George William Forbes, Iron Moulder.
I also have the birth certificate (St Olave, Southwark) of William James Scott, b 6 March 1875, 8 George Row, father Henry Scott, mother Martha Charlotte Scott, formerly Wilkinson, father's occupation leather dresser, Informant the mark of Martha Charlotte Scott mother 8 George Row, Bermondsey, registered 16 April 1875.
Finally, I've found records for three other children (all St Olave) with mother's maiden name of Wilkinson :-
Henry William Scott, b 1872 March, 1d 252
Martha Charlotte Scott, b 1874 March, 1d 276
Joseph Scott, b 1881 June, 1d 225.
One obvious question :-
Why the discrepancy in mmn between marriage certificate (Forbes) and birth certificates (Wilkinson)?
Also, I wonder why the parents decided to marry after three of their children had been born.
Sorry for the long post, but I would be grateful for any observations/explanations.
Thanks in advance.
Ron