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Margaret
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12 Jan 2019 15:40 |
I found this ancestor on 1841 census. I am interested to find out if there are any multiple births in this family.
His daughter Eliza Pettyford 1836 moved to Walton le Dale from Bucks had 3 separate children. Her children as far as I know didn't have twins.
But her son John Pettyford 1868 had grandchildren who were triplets - 3 girls from his daughter Shirley (nee Pettyford).
In our present day family there are 4 sets of twins spread over 3 families.
Is there a connection?
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ErikaH
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12 Jan 2019 15:44 |
Not sure what you're hoping for
How much research have you done yourself?
INFO.............1871 NOTE Eliza is unmarried
Eliza Pettyford Head - Female 31 1840 - Buckinghamshire, England Sarah A Pettyford Sister - Female 24 1847 - Buckinghamshire, England Emily Pettyford Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Lancashire, England John Pettyford Brother - Male 22 1849 - Buckinghamshire, England John C Pettyford Son - Male 2 1869 - Lancashire, England
How/when did the surname mutate from Petty to Pettyford?
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Eliza Pettyford Head Single Female 42 1839 Cotton Weaver Buckinghamshire, England John Pettyford Brother Single Male 32 1849 Cotton Cloth Carrier Padbury, Buckinghamshire, England Emily Pettyford Daughter Single Female 17 1864 Cotton Weaver Walton Le Dale, Lancashire, England William Pettyford Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar Walton Le Dale, Lancashire, England
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ErikaH
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12 Jan 2019 15:55 |
1851
William Petty Head Married Male 41 1810 Tailor Padbury, Buckinghamshire, England Martha Petty Wife Married Female 41 1810 Tailoress Oxfordshire, England Harriett Petty Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1834 Lace Maker Tingewick, Buckinghamshire, England Eliza Petty Daughter Unmarried Female 13 1838 Lace Maker Tingewick, Buckinghamshire, England William Petty Son Unmarried Male 10 1841 Ag Labourer Tingewick, Buckinghamshire, England Sarah Ann Petty Daughter - Female 7 1844 Lace Maker Gawcott, Buckinghamshire, England Thomas Petty Son - Male 5 1846 - Steeple Claydon, Buckinghamshire, England John Charles Petty Son - Male 2 1849 - Padbury, Buckinghamshire, England
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ErikaH
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12 Jan 2019 15:57 |
If there were no known instances of multiple births prior to thos of Shirley's children, the genetic propensity to producing twins etc must surely be through her husbands line.
Have you investigated that possibility?
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Margaret
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12 Jan 2019 16:11 |
Thank you . The name Petty changed to Pettyford between 1851 and 1861. Eliza was unmarried so did she change her name? I wonder.
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ErikaH
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12 Jan 2019 16:29 |
1861 - still as Petty
Martha Petty Head Married Female 50 1811 - Oxfordshire, England Eliza Petty Daughter Unmarried Female 25 1836 Cotton Powerloom Weaver Buckinghamshire, England William ... Petty Son Unmarried Male 20 1841 Cotton Powerloom Weaver Buckinghamshire, England Sarah Ann Petty Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1844 Cotton Powerloom Weaver Buckinghamshire, England Thomas J Petty Son Unmarried Male 15 1846 ... In Cotton Mill Claydon, Buckinghamshire, England John Petty Son - Male 12 1849 1/2 Time On Cotton Mill 1/2 Time Scholar Padbury, Buckinghamshire, England
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ErikaH
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12 Jan 2019 16:30 |
First name(s) Martha Last name Petty Age 56 Birth year 1810 Denomination Church Of England Residence Walton-Le-Dale Death year 1866 Burial year 1866 Burial date 18 Jan 1866 Burial place Walton Le Dale, St Leonard Diocese Blackburn County Lancashire Country England Next of kin William Petty Next of kin relationship Wife of Archive Lancashire Record Office Archive reference PR 2948/1/19
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ErikaH
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12 Jan 2019 16:32 |
Well, her father didn't change his name.............
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Old End, Padbury, Buckingham, Buckinghamshire, England
William Petty Head Married Male 76 1805 Tailor Padbury, Buckinghamshire, England Kezia Petty Wife Married Female 66 1815 Tailor South Newton, Cambridgeshire, England Edwin C Glevis Grand Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Yardley Gobion, Northamptonshire, England
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Station Hill, Main Street, Padbury, Buckingham, Buckinghamshire, England
William Petty Head Married Male 81 1810 Tailor Buckinghamshire, England Kezia Petty Wife Married Female 71 1820 - Oxfordshire, England
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ErikaH
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12 Jan 2019 16:36 |
Marriages Jun 1866 (>99%) GIBARD Kezia Buckingham 3a 771 Gibbard Kesia Buckingham 3a 771 GIBBARD Keziah Buckingham 3a 771 Petty William Buckingham 3a 771
Record set Buckinghamshire Banns Index First name(s) Keziah Sex Female Last name Gibbard Banns year 1866 Marriage year - Spouse's first name(s) William Spouse's last name Pettey Denomination Anglican County Buckinghamshire Country England Place Padbury Document type Parish registers Marital status widowed Residence Padbury Banns date 03 Jun 1866 Spouse's marital status widowed Spouse's residence Padbury
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ErikaH
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12 Jan 2019 16:47 |
The only birth for Shirley Pettyford on freebmd is in 1948
And no marriage for John Pettyford before 1916
There is at least one more generation between Eliza's son and Shirley's father
Eliza's son??
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1916 PETTYFORD John Charles MALONEY Sarah Ann Preston, St Mary Preston 233/6/267
1941 - Shirley's parents PETTYFORD John Charles LEACH Harriet Littleborough Register Office or Registrar Attended Rochdale LM/2/209
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ErikaH
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12 Jan 2019 16:50 |
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29 Aspden Street , Preston C.B., Lancashire, England
John Charles Pettyford 14 Jan 1869 Male Cotton Weaver - Retired Married 125 1 A Margaret Pettyford 21 Sep 1880 Female Drawing Tenter - Retire Married 125 2 Emily Cairns (Pettyford) 10 Jun 1918 Female Cotton Slover Single 125 3 John Charles Pettyford 30 Mar 1917 Male Cotton Spinner Single 125 4 Richard Watson 25 Aug 1898 Male Labourer - Unskilled Mental Deficie Single 125 5
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Margaret
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12 Jan 2019 17:30 |
Yes there is one more generation from Eliza, Her son John C had a son John C who was Shirley's father. The confusion has been through the two John C's :-S
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ErikaH
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12 Jan 2019 17:32 |
Deaths Mar 1940 (>99%) Pettyford John C 71 Preston 8e 1535
Deaths Jun 1956 (>99%) PETTYFORD Margaret A 75 Preston 10f 319
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ErikaH
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12 Jan 2019 17:38 |
Marriages Jun 1905 (>99%) Chatwin Sarah Ann Preston 8e 1203 Maloney Stephen Preston 8e 1203
Deaths Mar 1914 (>99%) Maloney Stephen 36 Preston 8e 807
Births Jun 1917 (>99%) Pettyford John C Chatwin Preston 8e 633 Births Jun 1918 (>99%) Pettyford Emily Chetwin Preston 8e 620 Births Jun 1921 (>99%) Pettyford Eileen Chatwin Preston 8e 1076
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ErikaH
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12 Jan 2019 17:39 |
Of course, none of the above answers your query about multiple births.
I'll leave it to you to investigate.
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Margaret
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12 Jan 2019 18:51 |
Thank you for your help. I'll further investigate on my tree
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ErikaH
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13 Jan 2019 14:01 |
At a loose end for five minutes!
Shirley's husband has a number of siblings - all single births, as far as one can tell
Shirley's mother in law in 1939
22 Daniel Fold , Rochdale C.B., Lancashire, England
Kenneth Royds 23 Jul 1934 Male At School Single 251 2 Helen Ingerham (Royds) 07 Sep 1916 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 251 1 Marlene Royds 17 Jan 1937 Female Under School Age Single 251
First husband's death
Deaths Jun 1978 (>99%) ROYDS KENNETH 24MR1915 BOLTON 38 185
Second marriage
Marriages Jun 1979 (>99%) Ingerman Albert E Royds Rochdale 39 412 ROYDS HELEN INGERHAM ROCHDALE 39 412
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