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27 Jan 2019 17:26 |
Hi, I am trying to find records of my great grandparents born in Burma and India. I have looked at many sites but finding nothing. Surnames in question are Jacob's, lefevre, and Mariano. In particular: My grandfather was Francis Xavier Jacob's born in 1895 fort dufferin, Mandalay, Burma. His father was Simon samuel Jacob's, born 1862, lucknow, India. ( married joanna, no surname) I have very little info on Francis, none of Simon, apart from appearing on my grandfathers baptism record.
My grandmother was Kate caroline Mariano, born 1907 in maymyo, Burma. Her mother grace lefevre /monteiro married Peter Joseph Mariano. Grace's father was Geoffrey lefevre Peter I marianos father was also Peter Mariano, who I believe was a school master. Again I have certain info but not alot to verify.
Any help or advise would be greatly appreciated.
Iain Jacobs
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KathleenBell
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27 Jan 2019 17:40 |
Welcome to the boards Iain
I can't help with your great grandparents but Kate Caroline's baptism record is on Findmypast and her father is Peter John, NOT Peter Joseph.
Kate's birth date was 9th May 1907 and her baptism 7th July 1907 at St. Anthony, Rangoon.
I have sent you the image.(look in messages at top right of screen).
Kath. x
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ErikaH
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27 Jan 2019 18:19 |
First name(s) P J Last name Mariano Sex Male Year 1918 Rank Vol Regiment Burma Railways Volunteer Corps Country India Award Volunteer Forces Long Service & Good Conduct Medal Award date 19 Mar 1918 Order details IAO No.238 of 1918 Medal type India Volunteer Force Medal Awards, 1915-1939 Record set Britain, Campaign, Gallantry & Long Service Medals & Awards Category Military, armed forces & conflict Subcategory Medal Rolls and Honours Collections from Great Britain, UK None
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ErikaH
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27 Jan 2019 18:20 |
First name(s) Peter Last name Mariano Marriage year 1909 Marriage date 05 Aug 1909 Spouse's first name Gracy Spouse's last name Monteiro Place Mandalay Presidency Bengal Groom's age 25 Bride's age 33 Groom's father's first name Peter Groom's father's last name Mariano Bride's father's first name Gregory***************************Not Geoffrey Bride's father's last name Lefevre
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ErikaH
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27 Jan 2019 18:21 |
First name(s) Peter Last name Mariano Birth year 1854 Death date 28 Apr 1920 Death year 1920 Age 66 Burial date 29 Apr 1920 Place Toungoo Presidency Bengal Archive Reference N-1-445 Folio - Page 319 Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
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ErikaH
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27 Jan 2019 18:24 |
Name Peter Mariano Gender Male Christening Date 20 Jul 1884 Christening Place Toungoo, Bengal, India Birth Date 15 Jul 1884 Father's Name Peter Mariano Mother's Name Rose
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ErikaH
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27 Jan 2019 18:26 |
Benjamin Mariano India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947 birth: 29 January 1882 christening: 5 February 1882 Toungoo, Bengal, India residence: 1882 Bengal, India father: Peter Mariano mother: Rose Francis Mariano India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947 birth: 7 February 1889 christening: 27 February 1889 Toungoo, Bengal, India residence: 1889 Bengal, India father: Peter Mariano mother: Rose Louis Mariano India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947 birth: 31 May 1880 christening: 7 June 1880 Toungoo, Bengal, India residence: 1880 Bengal, India father: Peter Mariano mother: Rose Benjamin Mariano India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947 christening: 5 February 1882 Toungoo, Bengal, India father: Peter Mariano mother: Rose Mary Mariano India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947 birth: 6 February 1891 christening: 12 February 1891 Toungoo, Bengal, India residence: 1891 Bengal, India father: Peter Mariano mother: Rose
Paul Mariano India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947 birth: 27 January 1887 christening: 6 February 1887 Toungoo, Bengal, India residence: 1887 Bengal, India father: Peter Mariano mother: Rose
Josephine Mariano India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947 christening: 1 January 1886 Toungoo, Bengal, India father: Peter Mariano mother: Rose Louis Mariano India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947 christening: 7 June 1880 Toungoo, Bengal, India father: Peter Mariano mother: Rose
Mary Susanne Mariano India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947 birth: 10 August 1901 christening: 15 August 1901 Mandalay, Bengal, India residence: 1901 Bengal, India father: Peter Mariano mother: Rose
Mary Mariano India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947 birth: 6 February 1891 christening: 12 February 1891 Toungoo, Bengal, India father: Peter Mariano mother: Rose Joseph Mariano India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947 birth: 2 March 1899 christening: 3 March 1899 Tonngoo, Bengal, India residence: 1899 Bengal, India father: Peter Mariano mother: Rose Josephine Mariano India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947 birth: 9 December 1885 christening: 1 January 1886 Toungoo, Bengal, India residence: 1885 Bengal, India father: Peter Mariano mother: Rose
Louisa Agnes Mariano India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947 birth: 28 January 1909 christening: 6 February 1909 Tonngoo, Bengal, India residence: 1909 Bengal, India father: Peter Andrew Mariano mother: Rosa
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ErikaH
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27 Jan 2019 18:30 |
Emilia Stella Mariano India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947 birth: 14 April 1909 christening: 29 July 1909 Mandalay, Bengal, India residence: 1909 Bengal, India father: Peter Mariano mother: Grace Anna Rose Mariano India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947 birth: 28 April 1908 christening: 29 July 1909 Mandalay, Bengal, India residence: 1908 Bengal, India father: Peter Mariano mother: Gracy
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ErikaH
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27 Jan 2019 18:46 |
First name(s) Gregory Last name Lefevre Marriage year 1865 Marriage date 30 Dec 1865 Spouse's first name Mah Spouse's last name Aingzee Place Moulmein Presidency - Groom's father's first name George Groom's father's last name Lefevre Bride's father's first name Feo Bride's father's last name Jah Catalogue description India and Pakistan, ecclesiastical returns
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ArgyllGran
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27 Jan 2019 20:53 |
For helpers' reference - and possibly to save some research:
Iain has a tree on Ancestry with a lot about these people. At least I assume it's Iain's tree - tree owner is ijacobs1962.
A lot about Francis, from his birth on 13 May 1896, through his marriage and the births of his children, to his death in Nuneaton.
Quite a lot on Kate - birth, baptism, marriage, births of children , through to her death, also in Nuneaton. Her father's birth and marriage. Her mother's first name was Rose - no other info.
Clearly Francis's parents are more of a mystery.
Simon Samuel's birth was 16 Aug 1862, but there's nothing else apart from the birth and death of Francis.
A certain amount about Grace - her parent's names and their marriage.
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Kay????
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27 Jan 2019 21:29 |
marriage has been arranged between Hugh Francis Jacob, of Calcutta, younger son of Francis Jacob, M.lnst.C.E., Elleadene, Westcombc Park, and Alice Maud Wickins, only child of the Ven. William John Wickins, archdeacon of Calcutta, and honorary chaplain 22 December 1913 - Homeward Mail from India, China and the East -
related.?
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ArgyllGran
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28 Jan 2019 10:34 |
Whether related or not (and I don't think he is - for a start he's Jacob, not Jacobs - several records on Ancestry) - that marriage sadly didn't last long:
Although engaged in 1913, they only married in 1915, in St Neots.
Hugh Francis Jacob in the India, Select Deaths and Burials, 1719-1948 Name: Hugh Francis Jacob Gender: Male Age: 32 Birth Date: 1884 Death Date: 23 Apr 1916 Burial Date: 23 Apr 1916 Burial Place: Calcutta, Bengal, India FHL Film Number: 527543
Probate to his widow Alice Maud Jacob.
His mother was Emily Martha (from his christening record).
Alice returned to England, and in 1930 and 1935 was living in Cambridgeshire, latterly with her widowed mother. She remarried in 1936, and in 1939 is with her husband in Cambridgeshire. She died in 1973, two years after her husband.
(Nothing whatever to do with the OP, but I got hooked! As you do.)
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ErikaH
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28 Jan 2019 14:08 |
I would think Jacob/Jacobs are interchangeable and the forenames are sufficiently unusual to make your finds look like a good match ,AG
?? for Gregory's (not Geoffrey) father??
First name(s) George Last name Lefevre Birth year 1826 Death date 28 Mar 1851 Death year 1851 Age 25 Burial date 28 Mar 1851 Place Fort William Presidency Bengal Archive Reference N-1-79 Folio - Page 176 Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
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ErikaH
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28 Jan 2019 17:10 |
First name(s) Francis Xavier Last name Jacob Birth year 1894 Death date 28 Dec 1939 Death year 1939 Age 45 Burial date 29 Dec 1939 Place Khurda Road Presidency Bengal Archive Reference N-1-600&601
Died of Heart failure Occupation: Guard B N Ry (Railway)
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ArgyllGran
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28 Jan 2019 18:04 |
As you think there might be a link, Erika, I'll press on - though I still doubt it.
Hugh Francis's parents in 1911:
Francis Jacob in the 1911 England Census Name: Francis Jacob Age in 1911: 57 Estimated birth year: abt 1854 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: India Civil Parish: Greenwich County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Ellesdene, Beaconsfield Road, Westcombe Park, Blackheath S E Marital status: Married Occupation: M.J.C.E ELECTRICAL ENGINEER Registration district: Greenwich Registration District Number: 28 Sub-registration district: Greenwich East ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Piece: 2707 Household Members: Name Age Francis Jacob 57 Emily Martha Jacob 62 Isabel Maude Jacob 38 Minnie Funnell 30 Florence Maud Jelliman 23
Their marriage:
Frank Jacob in the Somerset, England, Marriage Registers, Bonds and Allegations, 1754-1914 Name: Frank Jacob Gender: Male Age: Full Age Marriage or Bann Date: 4 Sep 1877 Marriage Place: Weston Super Mare St John, Somerset, England Parish as it Appears: Weston Super Mare Father: William Stephen Jacob Spouse: Emily Martha Crawford
Francis Jacob in the 1861 England Census Name: Francis Jacob Age: 7 Estimated birth year: 1854 Relation: Son Father's name: William Stephen Jacob Mother's name: Elizabeth Jacob Gender: Male Where born: East Indies British Subject Civil Parish: Hartwell Ecclesiastical parish: Hartwell County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Aylesbury Sub-registration district: Aylesbury ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: Household schedule number: 4 Piece: 866 Folio: 51 Page Number: 2 Household Members: Name Age William Stephen Jacob 47 - fundholder, late [Alexandra ?? ] Royal at Madras. Elizabeth Jacob 41 Mary Jacob 15 Stephen Jacob 10 Francis Jacob 7 William H Jacob 6 George Jacob 3 Charles Jacob 1 Emma King 20 Elizabeth Watkins 21 Bertha Needham 16
William Stephen Jacob died in Poona, India, 16 Aug 1862. Probate record says : ". . . formerly a Captain in the Bombay Army afterwards of Hartwell in the County of Buckingham but late of Poona in the East Indies . . ." The Will was proved by the oath of the Reverend George Andrew Jacob of Christ's Hospital in the City of London, Clerk, Doctor of Divinity, the brother, one of the executors.
Francis Jacob in the 1871 England Census Name: Francis Jacob Age: 17 Estimated birth year: abt 1854 Relation: Son Mother's name: Elizabeth Jacob Gender: Male Where born: India Civil Parish: St Peter County/Island: Bedfordshire Country: England Registration district: Bedford Sub-registration district: Bedford and Kempston ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 128 Piece: 1541 Folio: 85 Page Number: 29 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Jacob 51 - widow - her income was from Dividends from Indian funds Anna Jacob 23 Francis Jacob 17 George Jacob 13 Charles Jacob 11 F M L Hartley 52 Ethel Saudwith 22 Clara Forlong 18 Houlton Forlong 6 Lydia Willey 26 Caroline Tate 21
William Stephen Jacob's father's name:
William Stephen Jacob in the Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-22 Name: William Stephen Jacob Birth Date: 19 Nov 1813 Birth Place: Woolavington, Somerset Death Date: 16 Aug 1862 Death Place: Poonah, India Father: Stephen Long Jacob <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
William Stephen Jacob in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: William Stephen Jacob Gender: Male Baptism Date: 26 Dec 1813 Baptism Place: Woolavington, Somerset, England Father: Stephen Long Jacob Mother: Eliza Susanna FHL Film Number: 1526121
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Ijacobs
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28 Jan 2019 19:03 |
Hi to all, and a big thank you for all your input.
firstly to ArgyllGran, yes you are right I do have a tree on myheritage, ancestry.co.uk, findmypast and family search. I should of mentioned that earlier to save you all time researching but I do appreciate all your time and effort, especially ErikaH for all you found, most of which I do have except the Peter Mariano army lists. But I do appreciate all your hard work. appologies for not saying so in my original thread. The Francis Xavier Jacobs you have been referring to is not my grandfather. Again I should of mentioned that he and my immediate family came to the uk from Burma in jan 1948. He died in Nuneaton, Warwickshire 1n 1969, my Grandmother in 1979. So apologies to ArgyllGran for researching the wrong person.
To Kay????, sorry but the jacobs you refer to isn't related. Once again a big thank you to all Kind regards Iain.
If you find anymore I will be happy to clarify.
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Ijacobs
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28 Jan 2019 19:44 |
Ps, with regards to ArgyllGran mentioning the elusive Simon Samuel Jacobs, I am stumped. His name appears on Marriage of francis and Baptism and immigration papers for Francis.
He is my brickwall !
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