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Yes, having edited my last post with second thoughts, I agree that the Mountain Ash family are a good possibility.

Owen Rearden 1872 died Pontypridd 1912 V11a P528.


Maryb.

But it can't be the same Owen.

Susannah Newell married an Owen Reardon in 1894, but the Owen in Wales had married Elizabeth in 1892, and was still with her in 1911.

EDIT:
No, I was thinking that Susannah was your John's mother - but of course you don't know who her mother was, so the Newell/Reardon marriage may have nothing whatever to do with John.

OWEN
Last name REARDEN
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1892
Registration month -

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OWEN REARDEN married one of these people

Elizabeth Daly, Catherine Hennessy
District Pontypridd
District number -
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
Volume 11A
Volume as transcribed 11A
Page number 690

to go with john born wales

I still wouldn't rule out the John born in Mountain Ash. Birth registered in correct quarter for an April 1901 birth. Right father's name. Father deceased before marriage. Pity certificates are so expensive to buy.

Could be the marriage Maddie. i always have problems trying to search Ireland so will look another day.
Thanks
Les

Yes Maddie
Those are children , also a Catherine b1868 and Eugene b1869 all with mmn Ryan/Rion/Rian but no Owen b1870.
Thank you all again.
Regards Les.

is this owen b1834 marriage
Name: Anne
Gender: Female
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 4 Feb 1853
Marriage Place: Dunlavin, Ireland, Ireland
Parish Variants: Donard
Diocese: Dublin
Spouse: Owen Reardon

Ah sorry. I thought you were just going off the name Owen from John's marriage cert, but had no other definite info.

cold this be son patrick from 1881 census


RIORDEN, PATRICK RION
GRO Reference: 1863 M Quarter in WEST HAM UNION Volume 04A Page 19

REARDION, HANNAH RION
GRO Reference: 1866 J Quarter in WEST HAM UNION Volume 04A Page 30

REARDON, JOHN RION
GRO Reference: 1873 M Quarter in WEST HAM UNION Volume 04A Page 31

Maddie.
I just searched Susannah Newell and on 1881 cens she is age 9 living Roscoe St the same street as your 1911cens if it is her who remarried James Barrow.
I'm now thinking as/if Owen died 1899 and she remarried Barrow you could be correct but where is John b1901.
Did Owen die just after conception as he is as father on John's m cert.
I think you may have cracked it Maddie but still would like John's b cert.
I'll dig some more tomorrow.
Many Thanks
Les

Children of the family in Mountain Ash in 1911 - not the John you're looking for:

REARDON, DENIS mms BALY
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 542

REARDEN, DANIEL mms DALEY
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 524

REARDEN, ELIZABETH mms DALEY
GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 526

REARDEN, JOHN mms DALY
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 554


Parents' marriage:

Marriages Mar 1892 (>99%)
DALY Elizabeth Pontypridd 11a 690
Rearden Owen Pontypridd 11a 690

son of owen and susannah

REARDON, OWEN NEWELL
GRO Reference: 1895 D Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 140

sadly

Owen Reardon
Estimated birth year: abt 1896
Registration Year: 1896
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: West Ham
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 68

john from christina's 1911 census

REARDEN, JOHN DALY
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 554

Hi Christina
I will look into it but believe unlikely.
Thanks.

The Owen born in Wales has father, brother and son named Dennis. I notice that John named his son Dennis. Coincidence???

Owen Reardon
in the 1881 Wales Census

Name: Owen Reardon
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation: Son
Father's name: Dennis Reardon
Mother's name: Alice Reardon
Gender: Male
Where born: Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Llanwonno
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: 10 Knight St
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub registration district: Pontypridd
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5295
Folio: 112
Page Number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
Dennis Reardon 40
Alice Reardon 37
Owen Reardon 9
Jeremiah Reardon 7
Timothy Reardon 5
Bridget Reardon 11
Alice J. Reardon
John Bryan 21
Llewelyn Jenkins 26

I have these census and the 1871 it shows father as Owen, and as you say no Owen b1870
The 1881,91 Hannah is a widow.
I have been round and round this for days but still can't find answers to my original questions.
Thank Maddie.

Name: John Rearden
Registration Year: 1901
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Pontypridd
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 554

Could this be your John?

John Reardon
in the 1911 Wales Census

Name: John Reardon
Age in 1911: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1902
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Mount Ash, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Llanwonno
Search Photos: Search for 'Llanwonno' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: 51 Cardiff Rd Mountain Ash Glamorgan South Wales
Occupation: School
Registration district: Pontypridd
Registration District Number: 589
Sub-registration district: Llanwonno
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Household schedule number: 50
Piece: 32286
Household Members:
Name Age
Owen Reardon 39
Elizabeth Reardon 39
Mary Ann Reardon 14
Daniel Reardon 13
Dennis Reardon 12
Elizabeth Reardon 11
John Reardon 9
Susie Reardon 8

1881
Record Transcription:
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

16, Forty Acre LA, West Ham, London & Essex, England

Hannah Reardon Head Widow Female 40 1841 - Limerick, Ireland
Patrick Reardon Son Single Male 17 1864 Labr Shipyard Canning Town, Essex, England
Hannah Reardon Daughter Single Female 15 1866 - Canning Town, Essex, England
Kate Reardon Daughter Single Female 13 1868 Scholar Canning Town, Essex, England
Owen Reardon Son Single Male 11 1870 Scholar Canning Town, Essex, England
John Reardon Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Canning Town, Essex, England
Patrick Fitzgerald Cousin - Male 44 1837 Dock Labourer Ireland

1871 owen and hannah but no son owen
Francis Street, West Ham, London & Essex, England

Owen Reardon Head - Male 37 1834 - Ireland
Anna Reardon Wife - Female 34 1837 - Ireland
Patrick Reardon Son - Male 8 1863 - Essex, England
Hannah Reardon Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Essex, England
Kate Reardon Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Essex, England
Eugene Reardon Son - Male 1 1870 - Essex, England
James O'Grady Lodger - Male 43 1828 - Ireland

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