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Name: Joseph William Ball
Age in 1911: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Blackwell, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Blackwell
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County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: 177 Primrose Hill Blackwell Derbyshire
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Coal Miner Roadman
Registration district: Mansfield
Registration District Number: 428
Sub-registration district: Blackwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Piece: 20304
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph William Ball 26
Lucy Ball 25
Gladys Edna Ball 3
Freddy Ball 2
Olive Ball 1
Married 4 years 3 children born
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1901
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
John Jones Head Married Male 48 1853 Labourer (General) Lower Gornal, Staffordshire, England
Fanny Jones Wife Married Female 45 1856 - Lower Gornal, Staffordshire, England
William Hy Turner Step Son Single Male 22 1879 Coal Miner Hewer Lower Gornal, Staffordshire, England
Ernest John Turner Step Son Single Male 19 1882 Coal Miner Surface Labourer -
Lucy Jones Niece Single Female 15 1886 - Bolsover, Derbyshire, England
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Thank you. So by 1901 she was living with a paternal uncle. Which again makes me think her mum has died by then.
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Lucy Ball
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Lucy Ball
Age in 1911: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Bolsover, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Blackwell
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: 177 Primrose Hill Blackwell Derbyshire
Marital status: Married
Registration district: Mansfield
Registration District Number: 428
Sub-registration district: Blackwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Piece: 20304
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph William Ball 26 coal miner, roadman
Lucy Ball 25
Gladys Edna Ball 3
Freddy Ball 2
Olive Ball 1
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The only birth for chesterfield c1886 is this one
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
JONES, LUCY JONES
GRO Reference: 1886 M Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 773
Seems mum was maiden name jones too
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For helpers' reference:
Lucy Jones
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Lucy Jones
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation to Head: Niece
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Bolsover, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Ault Hucknall
Ecclesiastical parish: Ault Hucknall
Town: Doe Lea
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Mansfield
Sub-registration district: Pleasley
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors:
Piece: 3133
Folio: 15
Page Number: 21
Household schedule number: 114
Household Members:
Name Age
John Jones 48 - Lower Gornall, Staffs
Fanny Jones 45
William Hy Turner 22 - stepson, Lower Gornall, Staffs.
Ernest John Turner 19 - stepson, Cleveland Ohio
Lucy Jones 15
Lucy Jones
in the Derbyshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Lucy Jones
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 20 May 1907
Marriage Place: Blackwell, Derbyshire, England
Spouse: Joseph William Ball
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Have you found her on any census before she married
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Born in Bolsover/Derbyshire 1886
Married Joseph William Ball of Blackwell in 1907 at St Werburgh (Blackwell) Church
Father was Caleb Jones and I believe Mother was Sarah Jane Jones (Unsure of maiden name). It seems as though her mother died when Lucy was a young child though I cannot glean anything concrete around that, She just disappears from the census.
I'm looking for Year of Death and information on whether or not she was institutionalised? She had lots of kids very close together and family stories say that she was "nuts" though probably overwhelmed and postnatally depressed.
There's also local stories about how "bad" a man Joseph WIlliam was though his nick name was "happy" (possibly sarcasm?) it sounds as though he was a womaniser or at least forceful with women at the very least. He was a big drinker also.
I did ask for help a few years ago and someone managed to find a census linking Joseph William to an Elizabeth Ford with an article about a murdered baby (talk about skeletons in closets!!).
I just want to find out as much as possible about poor Lucy. Since having my own child I feel so sorry for her!
All help would be gratefully appreciated.
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