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I have Mary Ann Bates born Broadwell Southwark
She was married to a Clark and had John D Clarke1870/1 Bethnall Green
She married Matthew Flynn in 1877 West Ham and died 1883
Her dad on marriage ref is William
But I can only find her on 1881 census
Thank you Again

Could this be her in 1871? All children have mother's maiden name Bates.

Name: Mary Ann Clarke
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 153
Piece: 497
Folio: 39
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Ann Clarke 32
Emma Clarke 6
William Clarke 4
John Clarke 1

looks like it could be

Children's birth registrations...

CLARK, EMMA JULIA BATES
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 318


CLARK, WILLIAM JOHN BATES
GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 310


CLARK, JOHN HENRY BATTS
GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 332

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this could ce mary ann kennington is near southwark note if this is her she has children named emma and william to her marriage and her parents are william and emma

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Mary Ann Bates
England and Wales Census, 1851

Name:
Mary Ann Bates
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1851
Event Place:
Clapham, Surrey, England
Registration District:
Wandsworth
Residence Note:
Warterloo Retreat
Gender:
Female
Age:
10
Occupation:
Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household:
Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated):
1841
Birthplace:
Kennington, Surrey
Page Number:
4
Registration Number:
HO107
Piece/Folio:
1576 / 216
Affiliate Record Type:
Household
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William Bates Head Male 43 Bromley, Kent
Emma Bates Wife Female 41 Marylebone, Middlesex
Emma Bates Daughter Female 12 Kennington, Surrey
Mary Ann Bates Daughter Female 10 Kennington, Surrey
Catherine Bates Daughter Female 8 Clapham, Surrey
Clara Bates Daughter Female 6 Clapham, Surrey
William Bates Son Male 4 Clapham, Surrey

Thank you

1841 for above family.

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Waterloo Retreat, Clapham, Wandsworth & Clapham, London & Surrey, England

William Bates Male 30 1811 gardener -
Emma Bates Female 30 1811 -
Emma Bates Female 2 1839 Surrey, England
Mary Bates Female 0 1841 Surrey, England

What was the occupation of her father on the MC? William is a gardener in 1851.

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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Belgrave Lodge, Atkins Road, Clapham, Wandsworth, London & Surrey, England

Frederic Hepburn Head Married Male 31 1830 Master Planner Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Mary Hepburn Wife Married Female 29 1832 - -
Frank Hepburn Son - Male 6 1855 Scholar Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Duncan Hepburn Son - Male 4 1857 Scholar Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Lucy Hepburn Daughter - Female 2 1859 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Ethel Hepburn Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Clapham, Surrey, England
Sarah Giffin Servant Unmarried Female 28 1833 Cook Avening, Gloucestershire, England
Frances Smith Servant Unmarried Female 35 1826 Housemaid -
Hester Oldhouse Servant Unmarried Female 28 1833 Nurse Middlesex, England
>>Mary A Bates Servant Unmarried Female 20 1841 Nursemaid Lambeth, Surrey, England

The 1881 that you have.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

17, Peto Street, West Ham, London & Essex, England

Matthew Flyn Head Married Male 32 1849 Dock Laborer Greenhithe, Kent, England
Mary Flyn Wife Married Female 41 1840 Broadwall Surrey, England
John H Clarke Stepson Single Male 11 1870 Scholar Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Flyn Daughter Single Female 2 1879 Scholar Plaistow, Essex, England

Marriage:

Name: William Clark
Birth Date: 1842
Birthplace:
Age: 21
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Bates
Spouse's Birth Date: 1841
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 22
Event Date: 01 Mar 1863
Event Place: All Saints, Stepney, Middlesex, England
Father's Name: John Clark
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: William Bates
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status: Single
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00853-5
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 595415
Reference ID: p 237 cn 474

Rose

The Mary Ann posted above with the father who is a gardener is still alive and single in 1891:

Name: Mary A Bates
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
County: London
Parish: Clapham
Ecclesiastical Parish: ST PAULS
Sub-District:
Registration District: Wandsworth
Residence Note: Lillieshall Road
Gender: Female
Age: 50
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Living On Her Own Means
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated): 1841
Birthplace: Middlesex, England
Schedule Type:
Page:
Page Number: 3
Line Number: 18
Registration Number: RG12
Piece/Folio: 440/ 50


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William Bates Head M 83 Kent, England
Emma Bates Daughter F 52 Surrey, England
Clara Bates Daughter F 46 Surrey, England
Mary A Bates Daughter F 50 Middlesex, England



Rose

That rules her out then!

If I recall correctly (I was looking at them yesterday) William Clark, from the marriage above, is a gilder and his father was a weaver.
Mary Ann's father was a dyer.

Yes, Joseph Bates and Julia Bates were witnesses. Everyone left their marks. 8 Church Street, Mile End New Town was the address given for both William and Mary Ann.

in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932 on ancestry.

This appears to be William Clark(e).


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Grosvenor Square, Saint Matthew Bethnal Green, Bethnal Green, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Clarke Head Married Male 46 1805 Silk Weaver Reading, Berkshire, England
Martha Clarke Wife Married Female 43 1808 Nurse Reading, Berkshire, England
William Clarke Son - Male 9 1842 Scholar Reading, Berkshire, England
Emily Clarke Daughter - Female 14 1837 Servant Reading, Berkshire, England




1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

18, Derbyshire Street, Bethnal Green, London & Middlesex, England

Peter Payne Head Married Male 30 1831 Silk Weaver Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Payne Wife Married Female 29 1832 Silk Weaver Reading, Berkshire, England
Mary Ann Payne Daughter - Female 4 1857 Scholar Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
John Payne Son - Male 1 1860 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
William Clerke Brother Unmarried Male 19 1842 Builder (actually reads Guilder) Reading, Berkshire, England
Joseph Brooks Lodger Unmarried Male 21 1840 Shoemaker Shoreditch, Middlesex, England

This may be the Julia who witnessed Mary Ann & William Clark's marriage. Her father is a Hat Dyer.....so possibly Mary Ann's sister?

Name: Julia Maria Bates
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1846
Marriage Date: 5 Sep 1867
Marriage Place: All Saints, Mile End New Town, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex, England
Father: William Bates
Spouse: James Moore
Register Type: Parish Register


Mary Ann's family in 1861??? Mother Sarah is a widow...

Name: Julia Baltes
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: 1848
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Sarah Baltes
Gender: Female
Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

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Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 172
Piece: 261
Folio: 127
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Baltes 52
William Baltes 24
John Baltes 18
Joseph Baltes 16
Julia Baltes 13
Eliza Riseley 27
Eliza Riseley 4

And the same family in 1851...William's occupation is Hatter.

Name: Mary Bate
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Wm Bate
Mother's name: Sarah L Bate
Gender: Female
Where born: Lanbeth
Civil Parish: Stepney
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town Lower
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 109
Piece: 1553
Folio: 365
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm Bate 44
Sarah L Bate 43
Wm Bate 24...14 on image
Eliza Bate 18
Mary Bate 10
John Bate 8
Joseph Bate 5
Julia Bate 3

Mary Ann's baptism. Date of birth 15 May 1840 on image. William is a Hat Dyer.

Name: Mary Ann Bales
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 4 Feb 1846
Baptism Place: Mile End Old Town St Peter, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: William Bales
Mother: Sarah Say Bales
Register Type: Parish Registers

Brothers John & Joseph baptised at the same time.

Well done Christina, that certainly looks as if it could be the correct Mary Ann and family. Joseph is there as well as Julia.

England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973

Name: Sarah Lay Reynolds
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 22 May 1825
Marriage Place: Christ Church Greyfriars Newgate,London,London,England
Spouse: William Bates


and the 1851 already posted by Christina.


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

West Street, Stepney, London & Middlesex, England

William Bate Head Married Male 44 1807 Hatter Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Sarah L Bate Wife Married Female 43 1808 Silk Winder Cripplegate, Middlesex, England
William Bate Son Unmarried Male 24 1827 Stationer Shoreditch, England
Eliza Bate Daughter - Female 18 1833 Servant Lambeth, Surrey, England
Mary Bate Daughter - Female 10 1841 - Lambeth, Surrey, England
John Bate Son - Male 8 1843 - Lambeth, Surrey, England
Joseph Bate Son - Male 5 1846 - Stepney, Middlesex, England
Julia Bate Daughter - Female 3 1848 - Stepney, Middlesex, England
Joseph Reynolds - Widower Male 75 1776 Painter Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England