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17 Apr 2019 17:00 |
I have Mary Ann Bates born Broadwell Southwark She was married to a Clark and had John D Clarke1870/1 Bethnall Green She married Matthew Flynn in 1877 West Ham and died 1883 Her dad on marriage ref is William But I can only find her on 1881 census Thank you Again
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Christina(Lancashire)
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17 Apr 2019 17:13 |
Could this be her in 1871? All children have mother's maiden name Bates.
Name: Mary Ann Clarke Age: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1839 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Bethnal Town ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 153 Piece: 497 Folio: 39 Page Number: 24 Household Members: Name Age Mary Ann Clarke 32 Emma Clarke 6 William Clarke 4 John Clarke 1
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17 Apr 2019 17:16 |
looks like it could be
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Christina(Lancashire)
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17 Apr 2019 17:18 |
Children's birth registrations...
CLARK, EMMA JULIA BATES GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 318
CLARK, WILLIAM JOHN BATES GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 310
CLARK, JOHN HENRY BATTS GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 332
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17 Apr 2019 17:21 |
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1376816
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17 Apr 2019 17:27 |
this could ce mary ann kennington is near southwark note if this is her she has children named emma and william to her marriage and her parents are william and emma
Family Tree Genealogies Catalog Books Wiki Mary Ann Bates England and Wales Census, 1851
Name: Mary Ann Bates Event Type: Census Event Date: 1851 Event Place: Clapham, Surrey, England Registration District: Wandsworth Residence Note: Warterloo Retreat Gender: Female Age: 10 Occupation: Scholar Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter Birth Year (Estimated): 1841 Birthplace: Kennington, Surrey Page Number: 4 Registration Number: HO107 Piece/Folio: 1576 / 216 Affiliate Record Type: Household Household Role Sex Age Birthplace William Bates Head Male 43 Bromley, Kent Emma Bates Wife Female 41 Marylebone, Middlesex Emma Bates Daughter Female 12 Kennington, Surrey Mary Ann Bates Daughter Female 10 Kennington, Surrey Catherine Bates Daughter Female 8 Clapham, Surrey Clara Bates Daughter Female 6 Clapham, Surrey William Bates Son Male 4 Clapham, Surrey
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Pauline
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17 Apr 2019 18:04 |
Thank you
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alviegal
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17 Apr 2019 20:03 |
1841 for above family.
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Waterloo Retreat, Clapham, Wandsworth & Clapham, London & Surrey, England
William Bates Male 30 1811 gardener - Emma Bates Female 30 1811 - Emma Bates Female 2 1839 Surrey, England Mary Bates Female 0 1841 Surrey, England
What was the occupation of her father on the MC? William is a gardener in 1851.
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17 Apr 2019 20:08 |
?? 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Belgrave Lodge, Atkins Road, Clapham, Wandsworth, London & Surrey, England
Frederic Hepburn Head Married Male 31 1830 Master Planner Bermondsey, Surrey, England Mary Hepburn Wife Married Female 29 1832 - - Frank Hepburn Son - Male 6 1855 Scholar Bermondsey, Surrey, England Duncan Hepburn Son - Male 4 1857 Scholar Bermondsey, Surrey, England Lucy Hepburn Daughter - Female 2 1859 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England Ethel Hepburn Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Clapham, Surrey, England Sarah Giffin Servant Unmarried Female 28 1833 Cook Avening, Gloucestershire, England Frances Smith Servant Unmarried Female 35 1826 Housemaid - Hester Oldhouse Servant Unmarried Female 28 1833 Nurse Middlesex, England >>Mary A Bates Servant Unmarried Female 20 1841 Nursemaid Lambeth, Surrey, England
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17 Apr 2019 20:19 |
The 1881 that you have.
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
17, Peto Street, West Ham, London & Essex, England
Matthew Flyn Head Married Male 32 1849 Dock Laborer Greenhithe, Kent, England Mary Flyn Wife Married Female 41 1840 Broadwall Surrey, England John H Clarke Stepson Single Male 11 1870 Scholar Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Elizabeth Flyn Daughter Single Female 2 1879 Scholar Plaistow, Essex, England
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17 Apr 2019 21:45 |
Marriage:
Name: William Clark Birth Date: 1842 Birthplace: Age: 21 Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Bates Spouse's Birth Date: 1841 Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: 22 Event Date: 01 Mar 1863 Event Place: All Saints, Stepney, Middlesex, England Father's Name: John Clark Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: William Bates Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Single Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Single Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00853-5 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 595415 Reference ID: p 237 cn 474
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17 Apr 2019 21:57 |
The Mary Ann posted above with the father who is a gardener is still alive and single in 1891:
Name: Mary A Bates Event Type: Census Event Date: 1891 County: London Parish: Clapham Ecclesiastical Parish: ST PAULS Sub-District: Registration District: Wandsworth Residence Note: Lillieshall Road Gender: Female Age: 50 Marital Status: Single Occupation: Living On Her Own Means Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter Birth Year (Estimated): 1841 Birthplace: Middlesex, England Schedule Type: Page: Page Number: 3 Line Number: 18 Registration Number: RG12 Piece/Folio: 440/ 50
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace William Bates Head M 83 Kent, England Emma Bates Daughter F 52 Surrey, England Clara Bates Daughter F 46 Surrey, England Mary A Bates Daughter F 50 Middlesex, England
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18 Apr 2019 12:00 |
That rules her out then!
If I recall correctly (I was looking at them yesterday) William Clark, from the marriage above, is a gilder and his father was a weaver. Mary Ann's father was a dyer.
Yes, Joseph Bates and Julia Bates were witnesses. Everyone left their marks. 8 Church Street, Mile End New Town was the address given for both William and Mary Ann.
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932 on ancestry.
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alviegal
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18 Apr 2019 12:14 |
This appears to be William Clark(e).
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Grosvenor Square, Saint Matthew Bethnal Green, Bethnal Green, London & Middlesex, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Clarke Head Married Male 46 1805 Silk Weaver Reading, Berkshire, England Martha Clarke Wife Married Female 43 1808 Nurse Reading, Berkshire, England William Clarke Son - Male 9 1842 Scholar Reading, Berkshire, England Emily Clarke Daughter - Female 14 1837 Servant Reading, Berkshire, England
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
18, Derbyshire Street, Bethnal Green, London & Middlesex, England
Peter Payne Head Married Male 30 1831 Silk Weaver Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Elizabeth Payne Wife Married Female 29 1832 Silk Weaver Reading, Berkshire, England Mary Ann Payne Daughter - Female 4 1857 Scholar Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England John Payne Son - Male 1 1860 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England William Clerke Brother Unmarried Male 19 1842 Builder (actually reads Guilder) Reading, Berkshire, England Joseph Brooks Lodger Unmarried Male 21 1840 Shoemaker Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
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Christina(Lancashire)
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18 Apr 2019 21:32 |
This may be the Julia who witnessed Mary Ann & William Clark's marriage. Her father is a Hat Dyer.....so possibly Mary Ann's sister?
Name: Julia Maria Bates Gender: Female Marriage Age: 21 Record Type: Marriage Birth Date: abt 1846 Marriage Date: 5 Sep 1867 Marriage Place: All Saints, Mile End New Town, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex, England Father: William Bates Spouse: James Moore Register Type: Parish Register
Mary Ann's family in 1861??? Mother Sarah is a widow...
Name: Julia Baltes Age: 13 Estimated birth year: 1848 Relation: Daughter Mother's name: Sarah Baltes Gender: Female Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew County/Island: Middlesex Country: England
View image Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Town ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 172 Piece: 261 Folio: 127 Page Number: 26 Household Members: Name Age Sarah Baltes 52 William Baltes 24 John Baltes 18 Joseph Baltes 16 Julia Baltes 13 Eliza Riseley 27 Eliza Riseley 4
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18 Apr 2019 21:50 |
And the same family in 1851...William's occupation is Hatter.
Name: Mary Bate Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1841 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Wm Bate Mother's name: Sarah L Bate Gender: Female Where born: Lanbeth Civil Parish: Stepney County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address:
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View image Registration district: Stepney Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town Lower ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 109 Piece: 1553 Folio: 365 Page Number: 28 Household Members: Name Age Wm Bate 44 Sarah L Bate 43 Wm Bate 24...14 on image Eliza Bate 18 Mary Bate 10 John Bate 8 Joseph Bate 5 Julia Bate 3
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Christina(Lancashire)
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19 Apr 2019 09:11 |
Mary Ann's baptism. Date of birth 15 May 1840 on image. William is a Hat Dyer.
Name: Mary Ann Bales Gender: Female Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 4 Feb 1846 Baptism Place: Mile End Old Town St Peter, Tower Hamlets, England Father: William Bales Mother: Sarah Say Bales Register Type: Parish Registers
Brothers John & Joseph baptised at the same time.
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alviegal
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19 Apr 2019 11:23 |
Well done Christina, that certainly looks as if it could be the correct Mary Ann and family. Joseph is there as well as Julia.
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19 Apr 2019 11:50 |
England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Sarah Lay Reynolds Gender: Female Marriage Date: 22 May 1825 Marriage Place: Christ Church Greyfriars Newgate,London,London,England Spouse: William Bates
and the 1851 already posted by Christina.
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
West Street, Stepney, London & Middlesex, England
William Bate Head Married Male 44 1807 Hatter Bermondsey, Surrey, England Sarah L Bate Wife Married Female 43 1808 Silk Winder Cripplegate, Middlesex, England William Bate Son Unmarried Male 24 1827 Stationer Shoreditch, England Eliza Bate Daughter - Female 18 1833 Servant Lambeth, Surrey, England Mary Bate Daughter - Female 10 1841 - Lambeth, Surrey, England John Bate Son - Male 8 1843 - Lambeth, Surrey, England Joseph Bate Son - Male 5 1846 - Stepney, Middlesex, England Julia Bate Daughter - Female 3 1848 - Stepney, Middlesex, England Joseph Reynolds - Widower Male 75 1776 Painter Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England
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