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30 May 2019 21:20 |
I have found a picture of a grave online of my 4x great grandparents.
https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2019/122/198537979_b291a084-3ece-4c09-95ee-0480c4c2bea1.jpeg
Willam Houghton and his wife Fanny.
The grave shows they had a granddaughter called Ellen who I have not been able to place into the family and would appreciate some assistance in placing her - age 13 or 15 in 1866.
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30 May 2019 21:24 |
Do you have the names of William and Fanny's children?
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30 May 2019 21:29 |
Samuel 1828-1854 Jane 1833-34 Nancy 1838 Ann 1839 John 1840 Thomas 1843 Matthew 1846 Mary1850
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30 May 2019 21:35 |
Just for ref
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Higher Blowick, North Meols, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
William Houghton Head Married Male 43 1808 Wheelright Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England Frances Houghton Wife Married Female 46 1805 - Barton, Lancashire, England Samuel Houghton Son Unmarried Male 23 1828 Ag Labourer Lancashire, England Nancy Houghton Daughter - Female 13 1838 Scholar Lancashire, England John Houghton Son - Male 11 1840 Scholar Lancashire, England Thomas Houghton Son - Male 8 1843 Scholar Lancashire, England Matthew Houghton Son - Male 5 1846 - Lancashire, England Mary Houghton Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Lancashire, England
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30 May 2019 21:40 |
Possible
HOUGHTON, ELLEN mmn HOUGHTON GRO Reference: 1853 D Quarter in ORMSKIRK Volume 08B Page 445
(HOUGHTON, ELLEN ALLERTON GRO Reference: 1852 D Quarter in ORMSKIRK Volume 08B Page 468) EDIT it's not this one, who is the daughter of a William and catherine, and was still alive 1871)
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30 May 2019 21:56 |
William and Catherine are unknown to me sorry
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30 May 2019 21:56 |
Possibly daughter to Nancy if this is her marriage in 1860
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Jun 1860 (>99%) Carr John Ormskirk 8b 878 Houghton Nancy Ormskirk 8b 878 Robinson Emma Ormskirk 8b 878 Sumner Jonathan Ormskirk 8b 878
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30 May 2019 22:11 |
Deaths Dec 1866 (>99%) Houghton Ellen 13 Ormskirk 8b 527
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30 May 2019 22:25 |
Nancy Houghton after her marriage
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census (Willow Terrace), Warrington Road, Abram, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Jonathan Sumner Head Married Male 50 1831 Colliery Carpenter (& Groc & Prov Dealer Master) Hindley, Lancashire, England Nancy Sumner Wife Married Female 45 1836 Colliery Carpenter Wife Wigan, Lancashire, England Edith E Sumner Daughter Single Female 20 1861 Colliery Carpenter Daur (Deh Assist) Wigan, Lancashire, England Nancy Sumner Daughter Single Female 18 1863 School Teacher Ince, Lancashire, England William Sumner Son Single Male 15 1866 Clerk At Colliery Ince, Lancashire, England Elizabeth A Sumner Daughter Single Female 12 1869 School Monitor Ince, Lancashire, England Annie J Sumner Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Aspull, Lancashire, England Emma Sumner Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Ince, Lancashire, England Ernest J Sumner Son Single Male 2 1879 - Abram, Lancashire, England
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30 May 2019 22:27 |
Here as Ann, but Ann and Nancy are interchangeable
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Withington Hill Terrace, Aspull, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Jonathan Sumner Head - Male 41 1830 - Lancashire, England Ann Sumner Wife - Female 36 1835 - Lancashire, England Edith E Sumner Daughter - Female 10 1861 - Lancashire, England Nancy Sumner Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Lancashire, England Willie Sumner Son - Male 5 1866 - Lancashire, England Elizabeth D Sumner Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Lancashire, England Abram Lythgoe Boarder - Male 40 1831 - Not Known Ann Jane Sumner Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Lancashire, England
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30 May 2019 22:44 |
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Hawes Side, North Meols, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
William Houghton Head Married Male 52 1809 Wheelwright Lancashire, England Francis Houghton Wife Married Female 60 1801 House Keeper Lancashire, England Ann Houghton Daughter Unmarried Female 22 1839 House Keeper Lancashire, England Thomas Houghton Son Unmarried Male 17 1844 Apprentice Lancashire, England Mathew Houghton Son Unmarried Male 15 1846 Apprentice Lancashire, England Mary Houghton Daughter Unmarried Female 10 1851 Scholar Lancashire, England >>>>>>>Ellen Houghton Granddaughter - Female 2 1859 - Lancashire, England Francis Houghton Granddaughter - Female 2 1859 - Lancashire, England
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30 May 2019 22:57 |
Thank you all for your great help in this matter. Much appreciated
But I do question whether a girl of that age would be married and also she passed away under her Maiden name.
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30 May 2019 23:09 |
Mark I don't think you are reading it right? Ellen would be the illegitimate daughter of Nancy/Ann.
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30 May 2019 23:19 |
Choccy has posted the 1861 census, the other grandchild Frances is also illegitimate
HOUGHTON, FRANCES - GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in ORMSKIRK Volume 08B Page 511
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31 May 2019 02:32 |
I think i need to get some certificates
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31 May 2019 10:50 |
Grand-daughter Frances in 1871 - perhaps she's Mary's daughter:
Fanny Haughton in the 1871 England Census Name: Fanny Haughton Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1859 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: Female Where born: Southport, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: North Meols Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Town: Southport County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Ormskirk Sub-registration district: North Meols ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Household schedule number: 115 Piece: 3875 Folio: 87 Page Number: 22 Household Members: Name Age William Haughton 65 Fanny Haughton 72 Mary Haughton 22 Fanny Haughton 12
Possibly her marriage ??
Marriages Sep 1878 (>99%) Houghton Frances Ormskirk 8b 1126 MACKLEY Charles Edward Ormskirk 8b 1126
Frances Houghton in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936 Name: Frances Houghton [Frances Hartle] [Hart] Gender: Female Age: 21 Birth Year: abt 1857 Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 20 Aug 1878 Parish: Southport, St Paul, Lancashire, England Spouse: Charles Edward Mackley Spouse Age: 21 Father: Mathuselah Hartle [Hart ] Spouse Father: William Mackley Register Type: Parish Register
Frances Mackley in the 1881 England Census Name: Frances Mackley Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1858 Relationship to Head: Wife Spouse: Charles E. Mackley Gender: Female Where born: Southport, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: North Meols County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 114 Linaker St Marital status: Married Registration district: Ormskirk ED, institution, or vessel: 26 Neighbors: Piece: 3751 Folio: 89 Page Number: 28 Household Members: Name Age Charles E. Mackley 23 Frances Mackley 23 Herbert Mackley 1 Florence Mackley
Frances Mackley in the 1891 England Census Name: Frances Mackley Gender: Female Age: 33 Relationship: Wife Birth Year: 1858 Spouse: Charles E Mackley Child: Herbert Mackley Florence Mackley Ada Mackley Mary Mackley Harold Mackley Sarah Mackley Maud Mackley William Mackley Birth Place: Southport, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Bury Residence Place: Bury, Bury, Lancashire, England Sub registration district: North Bury ED, Institution or Vessel: 10 Neighbors: Piece: 3139 Folio: 75 Household Members: Name Age Charles E Mackley 32 Frances Mackley 33 Herbert Mackley 11 Florence Mackley 10 Ada Mackley 8 Mary Mackley 8 Harold Mackley 5 Sarah Mackley 3 Maud Mackley 1 William Mackley 3/12 Jane Pritchard 18
Frances Mackley in the 1901 England Census Name: Frances Mackley Age: 43 Estimated birth year: abt 1858 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Spouse: Charles E Mackley Birth Place: Southport, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Potter Newton Ecclesiastical parish: Sheepscar St Clement Town: New Leeds County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Leeds Sub-registration district: Chapeltown ED, institution, or vessel: 02 Neighbors: Piece: 4248 Folio: 29 Page Number: 3 Household schedule number: 14 Household Members: Name Age Charles E Mackley 43 Frances Mackley 43 Herbert Mackley 21 Ada Mackley 18 Mary Mackley 18 Harold Mackley 15 Sarah Mackley 13 Maud Mackley 11 William Mackley 10 Percy Mackley 8 Edith Mackley 5
Frances Mackley in the 1911 England Census Name: Frances Mackley Age in 1911: 53 Estimated birth year: abt 1858 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Southport, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Ecclesall County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding Country: England Street address: 5 Woodbank Crescent Sheffield. Marital status: Married Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow Registration District Number: 509 Sub-registration district: Norton ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Piece: 27776 Household Members: Name Age Charles Edward Mackley 53 Frances Mackley 53 Florence Mackley 30 Ada Mackley 28 Mary Mackley 28 Sarah Mackley 23 Maud Mackley 21 William Mackley 20 Edith Mackley 15 Charles Henry Mackley 6
Frances Mackley in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Frances Mackley Death Age: 78 Birth Date: abt 1856 Registration Date: Oct 1934 [Nov 1934] [Dec 1934] Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration district: ecclesall Bierlow Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume: 9c Page: 382
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31 May 2019 11:01 |
Frances's father Methuselah:
Methuselah Hart in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: Methuselah Hart Registration Year: 1862 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district: Ormskirk Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 929 Records on Page: Name Ann Aughton Methuselah Hart
Methuselah Hart in the 1871 England Census Name: Methuselah Hart Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1833 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Ann Hart Gender: Male Where born: Ashford, Lancashire, England [Ashton, Lancashire, England] Civil Parish: Upholland Ecclesiastical parish: Upholland Town: Upholland County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Wigan Sub-registration district: Upholland ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household schedule number: 139 Piece: 3897 Folio: 105 Page Number: 27 Household Members: Name Age Methuselah Hart 38 Ann Hart 33 - Southport Peter William Hart 8 Samuel Hart 7 Edward Hart 5 Alfred Hart 3 Mary Jane Hart 1 James Kirkpatrick 57 William Pickagel 32
Although there was an Ann Aughton born in Southport in 1838 (parents Robert and Jane) , it's also possible that Methuselah's wife was Ann Houghton, sister of Mary whom at first I thought might be Frances's mother.
HART, MARY JANE mms HAUGHTON GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 121
HART, ALFRED mms HOUGHTON GRO Reference: 1868 M Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 140
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