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Thomas & Harriet Marriage

First name(s) Harriet
Last name Clare
Age Full
Marriage year 1855
Marriage date 14 Jul 1855
Marriage place Burslem, St Paul
Denomination Anglican
Residence Brownhills
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Clare
Occupation Collier
Spouse's first name(s) Thomas
Spouse's last name Lees
Spouse's age Full
Occupation Forgeman
Spouse's residence Sytch
Spouse's father's first name(s) Samuel
Spouse's father's last name Lees
Occupation Collier
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D1428/1/10
Page 249
Register type Marriage
Record set Staffordshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

This is I believe is Thomas & Harriet's Marriage......Thomas used the surname Lees

Marriages Sep 1855
CLARE Harriet Wolstanton 6b 100
LEES Thomas Wolstanton 6b 100

It looks like Thomas remarried after Harriet died......he gives his Father's name as Samuel Lees, so perhaps he was illegitimate? According to the Parish Marriage Register both Thomas and Sarah were Widowed.

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Sutton
Age 56
Birth year 1824
Marriage year 1880
Marriage date 19 Sep 1880
Marriage place Kidsgrove, St Thomas
Marital Status Widower
Occupation Forge Man
Denomination Anglican
Residence Kidsgrove
Father's first name(s) Samuel
Father's last name Lees
Occupation Machine Man
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah
Spouse's last name Cope
Spouse's age 67
Marital Status Widow
Spouse's residence Kidsgrove
Spouse's father's first name(s) Daniel
Spouse's father's last name Mayor
Occupation Labourer
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D5539/1/4
Page 74
Register type Marriage
Record set Staffordshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

Name: Charlotte Clare
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 24 Nov 1805
Baptism Place: Newchapel,Stafford,England
Father: John Clare
Mother: Helen
FHL Film Number: 421579

Name: Charlotte Clare
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 1825
Marriage Place: Wolstanton, Stafford, England
Spouse: Samuel Turner
FHL Film Number: 1517617
Reference ID: 2:3C4TR39

with thomas in 1851
Cob More, Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England
Samuel Turner Head Married Male 50 1801 Coal Miner Biddulph, Staffordshire, England
Charrlott Turner Daughter Married Female 46 1805 - -
Thomas Sutton Lodger - Male 26 1825 Forge Man -
Joseph Unwin - - Male 2 1849 - Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
James Minchall Head Married Male 25 1826 Potter Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England
Elizabeth Minchall Wife Married Female 24 1827 - Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England
Hannah Minchall Daughter - Female 2 1849 - Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England

Name:
Ellen Baley
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
01 Feb 1796
Event Place:
Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England
Parish:
St Margaret
Residence Place:
Wolstanton
Spouse's Name:
John Clare
Spouse's Residence Place:
Wolstanton

is this the turner / clare connection

William
Last name Turner
Marriage year 1828
Marriage date 17 Nov 1828
Marriage place Wolstanton, St Margaret
Denomination Anglican
Residence Wolstanton
Spouse's first name(s) Ellen
Spouse's last name Clare
Spouse's residence Wolstanton
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D3534/1/20
Page 182
Register type Marriage

Ellen Clare

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Name: Ellen Clare
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 17 Apr 1808
Baptism Place: Newchapel,Stafford,England
Father: John Clare
Mother: Ellen
FHL Film Number: 421579

Harriot
Last name Clare
Baptism year 1815
Baptism date 05 Feb 1815
Baptism place Newchapel, St James
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Ellen
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D3544/1/4

Joshua
Last name Clare
Baptism year 1810
Baptism date 08 Apr 1810
Baptism place Newchapel, St James
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Helen
County Staffordshire
Country England

Is this Ellen? Or is it too late?

CLARE, ELLEN -
GRO Reference: 1858 J Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 99

If no marriage can be found - and I don't think there ever was one - you'll not be able to find out Thomas's father's name with any degree of certainty

CLARE, ELITTIA ANN -
GRO Reference: 1838 S Quarter in WOLSTANTON AND BURSLEM UNION Volume 17 Page 262

TURNER, ELLEN -
GRO Reference: 1861 D Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 91
TURNER, ANN -
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in WOLSTANTON AND BURSLEM UNION Volume 17 Page 306

fmp of 1871 showing relationship - hmm
Gilbert Street, Brieryhurst, Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England

William Turner Head - Male 70 1801 - Staffordshire, England
Ellen Turner Wife - Female 63 1808 - Staffordshire, England
Isaiah Turner Son - Male 40 1831 - Staffordshire, England
Moses Turner Son - Male 22 1849 - Staffordshire, England
Harriett Sutton Daughter - Female 55 1816 - Staffordshire, England
Thomas Sutton Son-In-Law - Male 46 1825 - Staffordshire, England
Ellen Sutton Granddaughter - Female 15 1856 - Staffordshire, England
Ann Turner Daughter - Female 20 1851 - Staffordshire, England
Ellen Turner Daughter - Female 9 1862 - Staffordshire, England

1841
Helderly Lane, Wolstanton, Wolstanton & Burslem, Staffordshire, England
William Turner Male 40 1801 Staffordshire, England
Ellen Turner Female 33 1808 Staffordshire, England
John Turner Male 14 1827 Staffordshire, England
Joshua Turner Male 11 1830 Staffordshire, England
Jane Turner Female 8 1833 Staffordshire, England
Harriott Turner Female 4 1837 Staffordshire, England

1841
Helderly Lane, Wolstanton, Wolstanton & Burslem, Staffordshire, England
John Clayer Male 67 1774 Staffordshire, England
Ellen Clayer Female 62 1779 Staffordshire, England
Thomas Clayer Male 39 1802 Staffordshire, England
Josiah Clayer Male 30 1811 Staffordshire, England
Harriott Clayer Female 25 1816 Staffordshire, England
Elishe Ann Clayer Female 2 1839 Staffordshire, England

She was calling herself Clare in 1851, and was apparently unmarried when she had Tamar in 1846

Births Mar 1846 (>99%)
Clare Tamar Wolstanton 17 313

Hi,

Thank you for all you help

I think Harriet Clare-- Clare is her maiden name

when she had my 2x great grandmother she was 44 years old that I old in them days. I can't find a marriage for Harriet and Thomas so could they have not been legally married?

Also, l think possible that Harriet could have been married before to somebody named turner.

regards

Amanda

1851
Name: Thomas Sutton
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Brieryhurst
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub-registration district: Wolstanton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 123
Piece: 2002
Folio: 251
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Turner 50
Charlott Turner 46
Thomas Sutton 26
Joseph Unwin 2

Perhaps Thomas was married to someone else - have you looked for him in 1851 census?

OK.

I see where the info came from

Joshua is apparently her brother

The daughter Tamar was illegitimate - surname Clare at birth

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
CLARE, TAMAR -
GRO Reference: 1846 M Quarter in WOLSTANTON AND BURSLEM UNION

Name: Ellen Sutton
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 27 Jul 1856
Baptism Place: Newchapel,Stafford,England
Father: Thomas Sutton
Mother: Harriet
FHL Film Number: 435815

1851
Harriott Clure
[Harriott Clare]
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Relation: Sister
Mother's name: Ellen Clare
Gender: Female
Where born: Oldery Lane
Civil Parish: Brieryhurst
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub-registration district: Wolstanton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 60
Piece: 2002
Folio: 241
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Josiah Clare 40
Ellen Clare 73
Harriott Clure 34
Elipann Clure 12
Fanney Clure 5

Where did you find Harriet’s maiden name?

1871 ???????????????
Thomas Sutton
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: 1825
Relation: Son-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Brieryhurst Staffordshire England
Civil Parish: Brieryhurst
Ecclesiastical parish: Kidsgrove
Town: Kidsgrove
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub-registration district: Tunstall
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 274
Piece: 2842
Folio: 93
Page Number: 53
Household Members:
Name Age
William Turner 70
Ellen Turner 13
Isiah Turner 40
Moses Turner 22
Harriett Sutton 55
Thomas Sutton 46
Ellen Sutton 15
Ann Turner 20
Ellen Turner 9


cannot see a marriage to harriett
he may have died 1903 wolstanton

Name: Harriet Sutton
Estimated birth year: abt 1813
Registration Year: 1877
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 64
Registration district: Wolstanton
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 77