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Frank and Wladislaw's deaths both have the same reference number - so they are the same person.

Doesn't matter which way you search for the death:

If you search for Frank Ray's death in 1976, and enter Rudowicz as "Other name", Frank's death comes up, which means that both names are on the same cert.

If you search for a Ray death, without first name, and enter Rudowicz as "other name", results for both Frank and Wladislaw come up - so again, both names are on the same death cert.

If you search for a Rudowicz death, entering Ray as "other name", two results come up, one for Frank Rudowicz,and one for Wladislaw Rudowicz - so both are the same death cert.

Just the misleading marriage certificate, that would be an interesting one !!

I've seen similar marriage results before on SP - where people have been known by different names, so there's an entry which looks as if two men (or two women) married, as well as the man/woman records.

But there's only one actual cert, even if apparently three or more records.

This is probably not relevant, unless Wladislaw was Margaret's toy boy, but posting just in case:

Wladyslaw Rudowicz
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Wladyslaw Rudowicz
Registration Date: Jul 1955
[Aug 1955]
[Sep 1955]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Westminster
Inferred County: Middlesex
Spouse: Margaret E Ford
Volume Number: 5c
Page Number: 1041

Margaret remarried in 1984, and died in 1990, aged 78.

Again, a massive thank you to you both, AG and GG ....I now know things I didn`t before....presumably Abdul was Anna Maureens 1st marriage...It really is mentally exhausting all this searching <3

Yes, Abdul was Anna's first husband.

I don't see any further records for him.


Nothing to do with your search - but just as an extreme example of multiple entries for one marriage , which I came across while looking for anything re Anna's husband -
entering just forenames, search for the marriage of an Abdul to a Yasmeen in Motherwell (Lanarkshire) in 1982.
144 results for one marriage!

Blimey AG seems like he was, can`t be any other explanation can there? Suppose really there could have been practical reasons who knows. Well done for finding that out, I`ll be writing that down as well...Thank you so much

I just now need to wait and see if my half sister will respond to my message on MyHeritage she is using a pseudonym but using the pseudonym I found her on Google looking for someone whose name I can`t put here (still living) I found him on facebook but he didn`t respond, be weird if he was my half brother, still you can`t make someone reply if they don`t want to. Thank you for giving up your time for me this morning.x

It's quite probable that Wladislaw / Frank had come to Scotland during WW2.
Thousands of Polish soldiers were evacuated to Scotland during the war, and were deployed from there.
Many settled in Scotland after the war.

A tree on Ancestry ( the owner is someone connected to a Lutfi family ) claims that Wladislaw's father was Antoni Rudowicz, and his mother was Zofia Kiljewicz, and that he was born in Poland.

Unfortunately no proof is offered .

The tree claims that he married a Mary Elizabeth Archbold (1936 - 2008) - (no date or place of marriage given) and that they had two children.

This is where credibility appears to break down; as it says that Mary Elizabeth later married Abdul Lutfi and had a child in 1958 in Persia.
Then it says she died as Anna Maureen Ray !

At first glance, it looks as if not enough research has been carried out.
But as no proof is offered , it's impossible to tell.


There's no way of knowing if the "info" about Wladislaw's supposed parents is correct or not.
So far, I don't see any records to support it.


EDIT:
BUT on second thoughts, and with apologies to tree owner - see later posts on page 3 !

Oh AG I will have to have a look at that if I can (I did originally use Ancestry for my dna test and then upload to MyHeritage etc) The tree on MH has the same info about the mum and dad. Wow what an interesting discovery! I`m not sure if Frank got evacuated to Scotland straight away because I was born more London way and remember Franks first marriage, that was London way. I didn`t find out until my 20`s that my `dad` wasn`t There is no way they have got the right person, the records on Anna Maureen on SP do give her mothers name as Archbold though. Thank you so much for letting me know, I wouldn`t have even thought about looking on there...

I think the site is having problems at the moment but can I ask what name you put in the search that brought up the family tree please

You say you remember Frank's first marriage.

You can look that up on FreeBMD and order a copy through the GRO site.
As far as I'm aware, you can still order an English/Welsh cert, even though you can't get a Scottish one at present.

That would give you his father's name.

Re the Ancestry tree, I searched for Wladislaw Rudowicz born 1926 in Poland.

This 10 day trial thing that Ancestry have (otherwise I can`t look at anything) can it be cancelled just before it ends? cheeky I know

Yes, you can cancel the Ancestry free trial before it ends. (It's 14 days, but cancel by approx 12 days just to be sure.)

In fact, you MUST do that if you don't want to carry on with a full sub, or they'll take your money automatically when the free trial ends.


"If a free trial is canceled during the trial period, the trial will end automatically, and you will not be charged. Free trials on Ancestry automatically turn into paid subscriptions after two weeks."
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/cs/offers/freetrial

What I meant was that you managed to find out about Franks first marriage to Margaret in 1955, the year I was born actually

Interesting that Anna's mother was Archbold.

An Anna Maureen Robertson was born in Aberdeen in 1944 - but that doesn't match her age at death, which suggests she was born c1936.

I don't see an Archbold/Robertson marriage.

The 1955 marriage isn't necessarily your Frank/Wladislav .

I just posted it as a possibility, because of the name.
Also I couldn't see any death for that Wladislav before Margaret's remarriage, so I felt it was possible they'd separated and he'd moved elsewhere.

You'd need to see the cert, for his age, etc, to be sure.


A Wladislaw Rudowicz was in Australia in the 1960s - 80's (died 1988), so it's also possible that he's the one who had married Margaret, and not your Frank/Wladislaw.
That one was born in 1912, which is close to Margaret's age - if that matters.

Jumping to conclusions without seeing actual records is always dangerous - as seems to have been the case with the Ancestry tree owner!

I`m really sorry to trouble you again AG but which box and which category etc did you put Wladyslaw Rudowicz name in on Ancestry, nothing seems to come up for me, I`ve signed up for 10 day trial. Same as Free BMD I NEVER have any luck on there, I`m bloody useless I know