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Yes you`re right I must not jump to conclusions, easy to do isn`t it, do you know at all what info a Scottish death certificate actually has on it, I`m pretty sure it won`t be the same as a UK one which doesn`t have an awful lot apart from obvious things such as cause of death etc and informant. I found what I was looking for on Ancestry but not the name Eman, yes I had actually been wondering about the Robertson connection myself

What's on a Scottish death cert is explained here:

https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/guides/statutory-register-deaths

Scroll down to "Understanding the content in statutory death records."


To find the reference to the 1958 son,on the tree, click on Mary Elizabeth's name, then on the link to her son, who's just listed as Lutfi.
Then you'll see links to a few US records - click on "View" in the top right corner of any of those. The word "View" doesn't appear until you hover over the link to the record.

Thank you so much for today AG, you have been absolutely amazing <3

You're welcome!

Looking again at the tree, and wondering if perhaps after all there's any truth in their claim that Mary Elizabeth and Anna Maureen were the same person -

this is the Archbold/Robertson marriage mentioned in the tree;:

ARCHBOLD
MARY
ROBERTSON
WILLIAM MILLER
1936
685/5 105
George Square

The tree owner says they are the parents of Mary Elizabeth Archbold, and this is her birth:

ARCHBOLD
MARY ELIZABETH
F
1936
685/2 143
St Andrew (Edinburgh)

The tree then implies that Mary Elizabeth changed her name to Anna Maureen Elizabeth, and married Abdul and Wladislaw (no dates or places given) , and also died as Anna Maureen Elizabeth.

On the face of it, this is a case of mistaken identity and poor researching, confusing Mary with Anna.
On the other hand, as I can't find a 1936 birth for Anna, whose mms was Archbold - who knows? Maybe it's correct!
It's a pity the tree gives no proof.

It would be interesting to see what either of Anna's marriage certs says her father's name was.


According to the tree, Mary Elizabeth had two other partners (unnamed) and a child with each of them (also unnamed). Again, no dates or places given.

It also says she had two children with Wladislaw - but it hasn't picked up on his change of name to Frank Ray.

Although Robertson is shown on SP as one of Anna's surnames at both her marriages, it's not given on her death record. At death, she's listed as Ray, Lutfi, and Archbold. Strange.


While you have your free trial, you could click on the tree owner's name and send them a message.

Morning AG, yes I was having a real good look at the tree last night and found that William Miller Robertson married Mary Archbold in 1936, Mary died at 30 in 1943. There seems to be so many bits to look at. I`d planned to send a message to the tree owner after I`ve printed stuff off in case they hide it all and then I won`t be able to see anything. So many mysteries with this......With Agnes Robertson there`s a nice photo, wonder who the man is? Thank you again AG

If Mary Elizabeth 1936 is actually the daughter of Mary and William, married 1936, she must have been born just before their marriage, as she's registered as Archbold, not Robertson.

This MIGHT be the reason that Anna is registered as Archbold at death, and not Robertson, even though Robertson comes into the marriage records.

That's IF - IF - she is the same person.

Hi AG, just thought I would give you a bit of an update. The owner of the Lutfi family tree has responded to my message. Anna Maureen was her birth mother, Frank was NOT her birth father, she was adopted out and is still currently looking for the identity of her BF. She was born and bred in Scotland but now lives happily in Western Australia. She has given me the name of two of Frank and Maureens children and there was possibly a third adopted out. Apparently Anna had a very sad life and the Lutfi owner is going to give me the story on this, the children also apparently had it very tough. The Margaret Ford that you mentioned WAS married to Frank, in fact she married three times in all. I now also have Franks dob and death date which will make it easier to get a death certificate. Progress has been made of which I never thought possible. Hope you are well and thanks again for all your hard work...

I'm glad it's worked out so well for you, Linda.

Thanks for letting us know.

As far as getting Frank's death cert is concerned, you don't need his exact date of birth or death - just order via SP once the present situation is over, quoting the details given by Greyghost on page 1. (18th April at 11:28)