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Interestingly, when I look at the 1939 record, Marjorie is a closed record too.

You are missing the fact that the son born in 1935 was illegitimate and re-registered after his parents married

I have posted the 1939 register showing Marjorie, calling herself Farrar, and SINGLE at home with her parents, and the boy (closed record)

People lied then just as they do now

Well, I think I'm truly missing something.
If Joseph did marry Marjorie Birkett in 1940 then she would not be on the 1939 register as a married woman. From what I can see on freeBMD, the birth reference to a son born in 1935, with mother's mmn as Birkett, refers you to another reference in 1941, which is the one I was referring to. This would then fit with the marriage in 1940.
There is another birth reference for a Farrer child in 1935 but that one is female and mmn is Graves.
What am I missing.

Hannah has NOTHING whatsoever to do with your Joseph. She is the executor of the Will of a totally DIFFERENT man. Please read - carefully - the info people have taken the trouble to find for you.

The first child of Joseph and Marjorie was born in 1935

The reference I found on freebmd was to a son born in 1941 so would not have been on the 1939 register, but would fit with the marriage in 1940. I've also found three more children and it looks like two could be a set of twins. I've checked to see who they married to see if I could find Hannah but no luck. I think I'm just going to have to give up on finding Hannah, I think.
Thanks for your help and suggestions.

I told you about him when I posted 1939 register

I've had a bit of a breakthrough. In a letter from 2004 there was mention of the son of Joseph.. He was still alive in 2004 so don't want to post his name, but I did find a birth reference on freebmd.

That's good - just wanted to be certain ;-) ;-)

Yes I did see all your posts ... thank you, I’m working my way through them.

Read my post about Probate - carefully.

Hope you saw ALL the info I posted, or I’ve wasted my time

Thanks ... don’t know how I missed that on FreeBMD, must’ve had my head in the sand.

From freebmd site............

Deaths Mar 1953
FARRER Joseph... 54.. Liverpool N.. 10d 485


Deaths Mar 1981
FARRER JOSEPH ...6 JA1911..... WINCHESTER..... 20 1895

Thanks Erika but I have questions:
Joseph did not have a sister, Hannah.
If Hannah married in 1957, after Joseph's death, then how could she be mentioned in his will as a married woman?
You say the one who died in 1953 was the wrong one because he was 54 … how do you know he was 54?

Thanks.

1911

Name: Henry Stanley Birkett
Age in 1911: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: St Pancras, London, England
Civil Parish: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 61 Phythian Street Liverpool
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Shipping Clerk
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: West Derby Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Piece: 22573
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Stanley Birkett 40
Elizabeth Birkett 38
Elizabeth Jane Birkett 15
Florence Lilian Birkett 14
Henry Stanley Birkett 12
Emma Amelia Birkett 10
Letitia Birkett 8
Alfred Stanley Birkett 5
Hilda Birkett 3
Horace Stanley Birkett 1

Births Mar 1933 (>99%)
BIRKETT Edward S Birkett Birkenhead 8a 646

Unless you get a copy of the cert, you won't know which of the Birkett daughters was his mother

1939
28 Woodsworth Street, Liverpool C.B., England
Henry S Birkett 18 Jul 1870 Male Shipping Clerk Married 170 1
Elizabeth Birkett 03 Jul 1872 Female Unpaid Dom Duties Married 170 2
Horace S Birkett 01 Aug 1909 Male Salesman Fruit Canned Goods Single 170 3
Elsie Birkett 06 Sep 1911 Female Football Pool Clerk Typist Single 170 4
Marjorie Farrar 10 Mar 1913 Female Clerk Welfare Depr Single 170 5
The record for this person is officially closed.
Edward S Birkett 1 Feb 1933

The closed record will almost certainly be Marjorie and Joseph's eldest child, whose name I am not going to post, as he is not deceased

You can find the info very easily on freebmd

Name: Henry Stanley Berkett
[Henry Stanley Birkett]
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 23
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1871
Marriage Date: 28 Jan 1894
Marriage Place: Everton, St Chrysostom, Lancashire, England
Father: Henry Stanley Berkett
Spouse: Elizabeth Gawthorne



Name: Marjorie Birkett
Mother's Maiden Name: Cowthorne
[Gawthorne]
Registration Year: 1913
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire

Name: Marjorie Birkett
Age: 0
Birth Date: 10 Mar 1913
Baptism Date: 21 May 1913
Baptism Place: Everton, Emmanuel, Lancashire, England
Father: Henry Stanley Birkett....................Shipping Clerk
Mother: Elizabeth Birkett
Address: 61, Phythian Street

Name: Marjorie Birkett
Registration Date: Jan 1940
[Feb 1940]
[Mar 1940]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Spouse: Joseph Farrer
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 377

Name: Marjorie Farrer
Death Age: 69
Birth Date: 10 Mar 1912
Registration Date: Oct 1981
[Nov 1981]
[Dec 1981]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Southampton
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 20
Page: 1498

Name: Marjorie Farrer
Death Date: 26 Dec 1981
Death Place: Woolston Southampton
Probate Date: 19 May 1982
Probate Registry: Winchester

Name: Joseph Farrer
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1911
Port of Departure: Suva
Ship: Empress Of Britain
Port of Arrival: Honolulu, Hawaii
Arrival Date: 23 Apr 1938
Race: British (English)
Height 5ft 7inches Weight 135lbs Tattoo rt arm

Your Joseph Farrer died in 1981 in Winchester.

Name: Joseph Farrer
Death Date: 3 Jan 1981
Death Place: Winchester
Probate Date: 10 Mar 1981
Probate Registry: Winchester

WWII Medals Issued to Merchant Seamen, 1939-1945
Name: Joseph Farrer
Birth Date: 6 Jan 1911
Service: 1939-1945
Medal Issued/Claimed: 1946-2002
Discharge Number: 1126589
URL: http://discovery.nationalarchi...