Find Ancestors

Top tip - using the Genes Reunited community

Welcome to the Genes Reunited community boards!

  • The Genes Reunited community is made up of millions of people with similar interests. Discover your family history and make life long friends along the way.
  • You will find a close knit but welcoming group of keen genealogists all prepared to offer advice and help to new members.
  • And it's not all serious business. The boards are often a place to relax and be entertained by all kinds of subjects.
  • The Genes community will go out of their way to help you, so don’t be shy about asking for help.

Quick Search

Single word search

Icons

  • New posts
  • No new posts
  • Thread closed
  • Stickied, new posts
  • Stickied, no new posts

Edward L.Kerr.

ProfilePosted byOptionsPost Date

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Jul 2020 23:21

The 61st Foot spent more than thirty years on garrison duty before seeing active service again. From 1816-22 they were stationed in Jamaica, from 1822-28 in England and from 1828-40 in Ceylon. They were stationed in England and Ireland from 1840-45.[2] In 1845 they moved to India, fighting in the Second Anglo-Sikh War of 1848-49: at the Battle of Ramnagar (November 1848), Battles of Saddalupar and Chillianwala (December 1848-January 1849) and Battle of Gujrat (February 1849).[2] The regiment was still in India when Indian Rebellion of 1857 broke out. They took part in the Siege of Delhi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/61st_(South_Gloucestershire)_Regiment_of_Foot

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Jul 2020 23:02

Peter Kerr
in the UK, Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Admissions and Discharges, 1715-1925
View Original Image on Fold3.
Name: Peter Kerr
Pension Admission or Examination Age: 39
Birth Year: abt 1814
Birth Place: Armagh
Pension Admission or Examination Date: 14 Jun 1853
Regiment: 61 Foot
Rank: Corporal



UK, Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Soldier Service Records, 1760-1920
View Original Image on Fold3.
Name: Corporal Peter Kerr
Enlistment Age: 18
Discharge Age: 40
Birth Date: abt 1813
Birth Place: Armagh, Armagh
Enlistment Year: 1831
Discharge Year: 1853
Regiment: 61st REGT. OF Foot
Regimental Number: 706

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Jul 2020 22:59

Peter Kerr
in the UK, Military Campaign Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1949
Name: Peter Kerr
Service Date: 1803-1826 Or 1848-1849
Service Place: India
Campaign or Service: India
Regiment or Unit Name: 61st Regiment of Foot
Regimental Number: 706

Remarks: Corporal Supply

Actions at which present;

Chileandalla [?]
Goojerat
Employed during the campaign in the Punjab to the date of occupation of Peshawar.

safc

safc Report 25 Jul 2020 22:04

Baptism entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Northumberland
Place (Links to more information) Morpeth
Church name (Links to more information) St Mary the Virgin
Register type (Links to more information) Transcript
Baptism date 14 Jan 1844
Person forename Edward Laidlaw
Person sex M
Father forename Peter
Mother forename Margaret
Father surname KERR
Person abode 61st. Foot
Father occupation Soldier
Transcribed by Stephen Andrews
File line number 1109

mgnv

mgnv Report 25 Jul 2020 19:43

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6SC7-RHJ?i=389&wc=9K53-FMS%3A13617901%2C25399001%2C25399002&cc=1309819
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XXDK-N5?i=113&wc=9K5Q-FM7%3A13618101%2C32518801%2C19407802&cc=1309819

JW https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DCY9-GJG?i=77&wc=9K53-92Q%3A13618101%2C31237901%2C31237902&cc=1309819
Mt https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DCY9-GD5?i=81&wc=9K53-92Q%3A13618101%2C31237901%2C31237902&cc=1309819
Ez https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NB1F-H26
My https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQVL-85S
Is https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JW3C-CPX
Fd https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NX64-JRH
Mb https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NYD3-Y8K

1841 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQBW-RW4
[In 1841, Book # is also needed to uniquely identify a page - it is found in right col on FS, viz
Document Information:
Book Number 11 ]
1851 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG6Q-TDM
1861 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7VF-D42
[Both Ancestry and FS/FMP give Ed's surname as Kell,
but thanks to Choccy posting the census ref, I could look up all the names on the page and guess Ed]

NB To do a census ref lookup (1841-1901), pick the right census in Ancestry's "UK Census Collection"
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/categories/ukicen/
or else edit the right year into the URL
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-Records/1901-england-wales-and-scotland-census

1861 Census
Piece: RG9/3871 Place: Morpeth -Northumberland Enumeration District: 12
Civil Parish: Morpeth Ecclesiastical Parish: Morpeth
Folio: 30 Page: 30 Schedule: 173
Address: Brewis' Yard
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
LAIDLER Mary Head W F 68 Carter's Widow Northumberland - Bothal
KELL Edward L. Grnson U M 18 Ag Lab Northumberland - Morpeth

Name: Age at Death (in years):
LAIDLER, MARY 71
GRO Reference: 1863 J Quarter in MORPETH Volume 10B Page 173

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Sorry, we found no matches.
Search for
Type: Marriages Surname: kerr Phonetic search: on
First name(s): peter End date: Dec 1851
Counties: Co. Durham, Northumberland

1861 Census
Piece: RG9/3701 Place: Hartlepool -Co. Durham Enumeration District: 18
Civil Parish: Seaton-Carew Ecclesiastical Parish: Seaton Carew
Folio: 84 Page: 12 Schedule: 51
Address: Seaton Carew
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
NEASOM Margaret Head W F 32 Laundress Co. Durham - Seaton Carew
NEASOM Margaret A Dau - F 6 Scholar Co. Durham - Seaton Carew
STAINSBY Elizabeth Niece - F 12 Scholar Co. Durham - Hartlepool
WALKER Mary A Sister M F 27 Farmer's Wife Visitor Co. Durham - Preston
WALKER Sarah Dau - F 4 Farmer's Daughter Co. Durham - Woodham
WALKER Mary Dau - F 3 Farmer's Daughter Co. Durham - Woodham
WALKER Margaret A Dau - F 1 Farmer's Daughter Co. Durham - Woodham

Marriages Mar 1856 (>99%)
Blenkinsop Stephen Darlington 10a 1
Neasham Mary Ann Darlington 10a 1
Paul Ann Darlington 10a 1
Walker Robert Darlington 10a 1

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
STAINSBY, ELIZABETH LAMB
GRO Reference: 1848 D Quarter in STOCKTON AND LEDGEFIELD Volume 24 Page 252
STAINSBY, JOHN LAMB
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in STOCKTON Volume 24 Page 264
--------------
NEASHAM, MARGARET ANN LAMB
GRO Reference: 1854 D Quarter in STOCKTON Volume 10A Page 69
--------------
WALKER, MARGARET ANN NEASOM
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in STOCKTON Volume 10A Page 73

Marriages Dec 1846 (>99%)
Lamb Elizabeth Stockton 24 239
Stainsby John Stockton 24 239
etc

Name: Age at Death (in years):
STAINSBY, ELIZABETH 25
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in STOCKTON Volume 24 Page 141
MAYBE
STAINSBY, JOHN 0
GRO Reference: 1851 S Quarter in STOCKTON Volume 24 Page 167

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

1871 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBZV-FP6

1871 Census
Piece: RG10/4913 Place: Hartlepool -Co. Durham Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: Seaton Carew Ecclesiastical Parish: Seaton Carew
Folio: 71 Page: 27 Schedule: 137a
Address: -
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
KERR Edward L Head M M 27 Weighman In Iron Works Northumberland - Morpeth
KERR Elizabeth Wife M F 22 Co. Durham - Hartlepool
KERR John E Son - M 3 Co. Durham - Seaton Carew
KERR Margaret Dau - F 1 Co. Durham - Seaton Carew

Marriages Dec 1866 (>99%)
Kerr Edward L Hartlepool 10a 193
STAINSBY Elizabeth Hartlepool 10a 193

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
KERR, JOHN EDWARD STAINSBY
GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 129
KERR, MARGARET STAINSBY
GRO Reference: 1869 S Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 158
KERR, ELIZABETH STAINSBY
GRO Reference: 1872 S Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 199
KERR, MARY LAIDLER STAINSBY
GRO Reference: 1875 J Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 240
KERR, ISABEL STAINSBY
GRO Reference: 1880 J Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 146
KERR, FREDERICK STAINSBY
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 110
KERR, MABEL STAINSBY
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 142

1881 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27B-1CBW
1891 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WJJJ-JMM
1901 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSCJ-74V

1911 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWHN-36Q
[1911 piece # is 29643 - h/h sequence # is 137]
Event Place: Seaton Carew, Durham
County: Durham
Parish: Seaton Carew
Sub-District: Hartlepool
Enumeration District: 43
Registration District:` Hartlepool
Schedule Type: 137
Registration Number: RG14
Piece X 277 X
Affiliate Record Identifier: GBC/1911/RG14/29643/0277/2
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Margaret Newson Head Female 82 Seaton Carew, Durham W
Elizabeth Kerr Niece Female 63 Hartlepool, Durham W


Deaths Dec 1873 (>99%)
Kerr Margaret 4 Hartlepool 10a 127

Deaths Jun 1889 (>99%)
KERR Frederick 3 Hartlepool 10a 79

Deaths Mar 1893 (>99%)
Kerr Isabel 12 Hartlepool 10a 82

Deaths Mar 1908 (>99%)
KERR Edward 65 Hartlepool 10a 97

Deaths Mar 1913 (>99%)
Kerr John 46 Hartlepool 10a 234

Deaths Mar 1927 (>99%)
Kerr Elizabeth 78 Hartlepool 10a 184

mgnv

mgnv Report 25 Jul 2020 19:40

CAUTION

I have seen Kerr mistranscribed as Ken for 2 of Edward's grandchildren.
One can easily imagine how this occurs.

BURGON, JAMES KEN
GRO Reference: 1902 S Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 133

TAYLOR, ETHEL KEN
GRO Reference: 1896 J Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 134


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS RELEVANT

1861 Census
Piece: RG9/3679 Place: Darlington -Co. Durham Enumeration District: 2l
Civil Parish: St John Ecclesiastical Parish: St John
Folio: 41 Page: 24 Schedule: 134
Address: 30 Brunswick Street
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
STAINSBY John Head M M 38 Agl Labourer Yorkshire - Northallerton
STAINSBY Mary Wife M F 38 Co. Durham - Darlington
STAINSBY Joseph Son U M 12 Scholar Co. Durham - Darlington
STAINSBY Ellen Dau U F 9 Scholar Co. Durham - Darlington
STAINSBY John Son U M 7 Scholar Co. Durham - Darlington
STAINSBY Johnson Son U M 5 Scholar Co. Durham - Darlington
STAINSBY William Son U M 3 Co. Durham - Darlington
STAINSBY Sarah Dau U F 5m Co. Durham - Darlington

STAINSBY, JOHN RODWELL CLEMENT
GRO Reference: 1853 D Quarter in DARLINGTON UNION Volume 10A Page 8
STAINSBY, JOHNSON CLEMENT
GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in DARLINGTON UNION Volume 10A Page 5
STAINSBY, WILLIAM CLEMENT
GRO Reference: 1858 J Quarter in DARLINGTON UNION Volume 10A Page 4
STAINSBY, SARAH JANE CLEMMENT
GRO Reference: 1860 D Quarter in DARLINGTON UNION Volume 10A Page 13

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

The parish of Stranton was SW of the psh of Hartlepool across the harbour
The parish of Seaton Carew was SW of Stranton
All were in Stockton RD until 8/6/1859 then transferred to the new Hartlepool RD on 9/6/1859 (until that was abolished 1/7/1938).

When using the GRO index, and you're not quite sure where in Co Durham your target lived, it's worth knowing you can specify the Vol as 24 thru 1851 or 10a ror 1852-1930-ish and get all* of Co Durham.

* I exagerate here - the historic Co Durham included detached parishes scattered across Northunberland thru 10/1844, when they were transferred to Northumberland.
There was a large detached chunk around Berwick - in fact none of Berwick RD was in Northumberland (although the GRO classified it all in the "registration" county of Northumberland).
Berwick was actually in the county of the city of Berwick, and the rest of the RD was in a detached bit of Co Durham.
There were a whole mess of these county of the city of xxx's, but they were all abolished in the 19th cent with the exception of the sole remaining one - the county of the city of London.

When using the GRO index, and you're not quite sure where in Northunberland your target lived, it's worth knowing you can specify the Vol as 25 thru 1851 or 10b ror 1852-1930-ish and get all* of Co Durham.
These volumes actually cover all of the registration counties of Northunberland, Cumberland and Westmoreland.

Click ADD REPLY button - not this link!

Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 16 Jul 2020 08:06

??????

Name: Margaret Laidler
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 12 Dec 1822
Event Place: Morpeth, Northumberland, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Morpeth, Northumberland, England
Gender: Female
Father's Name: John Laidler
Mother's Name: Mary

GS Film Number: 1469097
Digital Folder Number: 004006401
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04683-1
System Origin: ODM

Rose

Click ADD REPLY button - not this link!

Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 16 Jul 2020 01:30

The family in the 1851 census that Maddie posted, the same family that went to the US, all have MMN of Winchester.

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Peter Kerr Head Married Male 29 1822 Tile Maker (Master) Scotland
Margaret Kerr Wife Married Female 30 1821 - Millfield, Northumberland, England
Ellen Kerr Daughter Unmarried Female 4 1847 At Home Ancroft, Northumberland, England
John Kerr Son Unmarried Male 3 1848 At Home Berwick on Tweed, Northumberland, England
George Kerr Servant Unmarried Male 31 1820 Servant Scotland
James Matthewson Servant Unmarried Male 22 1829 Servant Cheswick, Northumberland,

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
KERR, ELEANOR WINCHESTER
GRO Reference: 1846 S Quarter in BERWICK UPON TWEED UNION Volume 25 Page 21

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
KERR, JOHN WINCHESTER
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in BERWICK UPON TWEED UNION Volume 25 Page 9


1900 census image says they were married about 1846.

Rose

Choccy

Choccy Report 15 Jul 2020 13:32

1861 census

Living with grandmother Mary Laidler at Brewis Yard, Morpeth

Piece 3871, Folio 30, Page 30

Maddie

Maddie Report 15 Jul 2020 12:57

????? maybe

Name: Ellen Sumner
Birth Date: 29 Jan 1846
Birth Place: Northumberland, England
Death Date: 24 Feb 1891
Death Place: Chicago, Cook County, Illinois, United States of America
Cemetery: Pecatonica Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Pecatonica, Winnebago County, Illinois, United States of America
Has Bio?: N
Father: Peter Kerr
Mother: Margaret C Kerr
Spouse: Irvin Solon Sumner
Children: Alice Amelia Wettengel
Ann Louise Sumner
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...

Name: Ellen Kerr
Gender: Female
Age: 31
Birth Date: abt 1848
Marriage Date: 5 Jun 1879
Marriage Place: Winnebago, Illinois, USA
Father: Peter Kerr
Mother: Margaret Winchester
Spouse: Irvin Solon Sumner

in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current

Name: Margaret C Kerr
Birth Date: 28 Mar 1820
Birth Place: Northumberland, England
Death Date: 3 Nov 1905
Death Place: Pecatonica, Winnebago County, Illinois, United States of America
Cemetery: Pecatonica Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Pecatonica, Winnebago County, Illinois, United States of America
Has Bio?: N
Spouse: Peter Kerr
Children: Mary Ann Palmer
Ellen Sumner
Jennie Bishop Garver
John Robert Kerr
Peter Kerr
Kate Margaret Woodring
URL: https://www.findagrave.com

Name: Peter Kerr Sr
Gender: M (Male)
Birth Date: 11 Apr 1820
Birth Place: Gifford, East Lothian, Scotland
Death Date: 19 Oct 1901
Death Place: Pecatonica, Winnebago County, Illinois, United States of America
Cemetery: Pecatonica Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Pecatonica, Winnebago County, Illinois, United States of America
Has Bio?: N
Spouse: Margaret C Kerr
Children: Mary Ann Palmer
Ellen Sumner
Jennie Bishop Garver
John Robert Kerr
Peter Kerr
Kate Margaret Woodring

in the 1880 United States Federal Census

Name: Peter Kerr
Age: 58
Birth Date: Abt 1822
Birthplace: Scotland
Home in 1880: Pecatonica, Winnebago, Illinois, USA
Dwelling Number: 239
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital status: Married
Spouse's name: Margret Kerr
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: Scotland
Occupation: Farmer
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Kerr 58
Margret Kerr 56
Peter Kerr 29
Mary Kerr 20
Kate Kerr 17
Jennie Kinnie 27

KERR, PETER WINCHESTER
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in ALNWICK UNION Volume 25 Page 265
Film Number: 001914043

Name: John Robert Kerr
Birth Date: 11 Mar 1848
Birth Place: Scotland
Death Date: 31 Dec 1920
Death Place: Great Falls, Cascade County, Montana, United States of America
Cemetery: Pecatonica Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Pecatonica, Winnebago County, Illinois, United States of America
Has Bio?: N
Father: Peter Kerr
Mother: Margaret C Kerr
Spouse: Phoebe C Kerr
Children: Margaret Kerr
Florence Jean Hubbard
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...


in the 1900 United States Federal Census
View 1900 United States Federal Census

View blank form

Report a problem

Name: John R Kerr
Age: 52
Birth Date: Mar 1848
Birthplace: Scotland
Home in 1900: Pecatonica, Winnebago, Illinois
House Number: 65
Sheet Number: 3
Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation: 65
Family Number: 66
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1852
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital status: Married
Spouse's name: Pheobe Kerr
Marriage Year: 1880
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: England
Years in US: 48
Occupation: Station-agent
Months Not Employed: 0
Can Read: Yes
Can Write: Yes
Can Speak English: Yes
House Owned or Rented: O
Home Free or Mortgaged: F
Farm or House: H
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
John R Kerr 52
Pheobe Kerr 48
Ralph Kerr 19
Bruce Kerr 17
Jean Kerr 16

malyon

malyon Report 15 Jul 2020 12:04

Mr Edward Laidler Kerr
British Newspaper Archive, Family Notices

Name:
Mr Edward Laidler Kerr
Event Type:
Marriage Notice
Event Date:
20 Oct 1866
Event Place:
Morpeth, Northumberland, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Morpeth, Northumberland, England
Event Place Note:
102-7891
Gender:
Male
Spouse's Name:
Miss Elizabeth Stainsby
Spouse's Gender:
Female
Newspaper:
Morpeth Herald
Page Number:
8
Publication Date:
20 Oct 1866
Affiliate Record Type:
Marriage

Maddie

Maddie Report 15 Jul 2020 11:54

not with family 1851
Tile Sheds, Beanley, Alnwick, Northumberland, England
Learn about this record set
What can I do with this record?
View Image
Add To Tree
Report an Error
Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Peter Kerr Head Married Male 29 1822 Tile Maker (Master) Scotland
Margaret Kerr Wife Married Female 30 1821 - Millfield, Northumberland, England
Ellen Kerr Daughter Unmarried Female 4 1847 At Home Ancroft, Northumberland, England
John Kerr Son Unmarried Male 3 1848 At Home Berwick on Tweed, Northumberland, England
George Kerr Servant Unmarried Male 31 1820 Servant Scotland
James Matthewson Servant Unmarried Male 22 1829 Servant Cheswick, Northumberland, England

Terence

Terence Report 15 Jul 2020 11:43

Thanks Researchers.
Is there anything more on Edwards Parents and siblings at all? Please.

Thank you,Terry L.

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 15 Jul 2020 11:32

Marriages Dec 1866

Kerr Edward L ..,,,,,,,, Hartlepool 10a 193

STAINSBY Elizabeth,,,,,,,,, Hartlepool 10a 193

Click ADD REPLY button - not this link!

Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 15 Jul 2020 09:45

Name: Edward Laidlow Kerr
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 14 Jan 1844
Event Place: Morpeth, Northumberland, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Morpeth, Northumberland, England
Gender: Male
Father's Name: Peter Kerr
Mother's Name: Margaret

Reference ID: item 7 p 7
GS Film Number: 1469097
Digital Folder Number: 004006401
Image Number: 00558
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04683-2
System Origin: EASY
Record Number: 356

Rose

Click ADD REPLY button - not this link!

Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 15 Jul 2020 09:40

Births Dec 1843 (>99%)
KERR Edward Laidler Morpeth 25 314

MMN is Laidler.

Rose

Terence

Terence Report 15 Jul 2020 09:23

Hi.Researching my ex-wifes family I came across Edward L.(Laidler) Kerr in the 1871 Census living at Seaton Carew,Hartlepool with wife Elizabeth and son John.I found them in later Census but unable to find anything on him before 1871.It appears he was b.1844,Morpeth.

Any help greatly appreciated,Terry L.