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Ellan Collins
England and Wales Census, 1841

The item I'm highlighting is:

Gender: Male

????
under deaths
BIRTHS, MARRIAGES, AND DEATHS. BIRTHS. Mr.Edward Collins, millwright, Montague Place, Newbury, aged 58.
25 November 1848 - Reading Mercury - Reading, Berkshire, England

Yes Maddie that's them :-) George Knapp married Susanna Dandridge and Edwin took Dandridge as his middle name

Edward
Last name Collins
Age 58
Birth year 1790
Residence Newbury
Death year 1848
Burial year 1848
Burial date 24 Nov 1848
Church St Nicolas
Place Newbury

is this their marraige

Edward
Last name Collins
Name note -
Marriage year 1811
Marriage date 29 Jul 1811
Marriage place Blewberry
Spouse's first name(s) Hannah
Spouse's last name Knapp
Spouse's age -
Residence Blewberry, Berkshire, England
County Berkshire

Hannah
Last name Collins
Age 62
Birth year 1794
Residence Newbury
Death year 1856
Burial year 1856
Burial date 26 Apr 1856
Church St Nicolas
Place Newbury
County Berkshire


Hannah
Last name Knapp
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1793
Baptism date 22 Dec 1793
Residence Blewberry, Berkshire, England
Place Blewberry
County Berkshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) George
Father's last name Knapp
Mother's first name(s) Susanna

Thanks, Just found Hannah with Henry Alexander and Emanuel in 1851 still in Newbury she's recorded as a Millwright's widow so all fits nicely

Looking at the 1841 image - Edward's occupation is Millwright, IMO

Clara/Clarissa and Susan in 1851.
Clara mistranscribed as Charles, age 16. Image says Clara, age 26:

Charles Collins
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Charles Collins
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Speen, Berkshire, England
Civil Parish: St Nicholas Cole Abbey
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: London City
Sub-registration District: London City South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 6
Piece: 1528
Folio: 192
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Felix Watters 29
Susan Watters 21 - Speen
Alice Watters 4
Raymond Watters 2
Charles Collins 16 (Clara, 26 )



Susannah Collins
in the Kent, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1538-1914
Name: Susannah Collins
Gender: Female
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 3 Jul 1848
Marriage Place: Chatham, St Mary, Kent, England
Father: Edward Collins
Spouse: Felix Walter

Many thanks everyone. AG thanks I'll take a look at the Ancestry record for the Collman record., That 1851 census is the Edwin I am trying to link to the 1841 census. I have the actual marriage details for Edwin and Martha and his father Edrward is recorded as a Millwright. :-)


Added:
Yes thanks Maddie that's the marriage!

may have looked this up before if it is the same person

Edwin
Last name Collins
Birth year -
Marital status Widower
Occupation Engineer
Residence Newbury
Marriage year 1849
Marriage date 31 Mar 1849
Church St Nicolas
Place Newbury
County Berkshire
Country England
Spouse's first name(s) Martha
Spouse's last name New
Spouse's age full age
Spouse's marital status Spinster
Spouse's residence Newbury
Father's first name(s) Edward
Father's last name Collins
Spouse's father's first name(s) Daniel
Spouse's father's last name NEW
Spouse's father's occupation Draper
Signed Signed: Edwin COLTRAS
Licence or banns Banns
Witnesses Daniel CHALLIS; Martha STILLMAN
Additional information [Officiating Minister] A. T. W. PHILIP
Record set Berkshire Marriages Index

COLLINS, ALICE JANE NEW
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in NEWBURY Volume 06 Page 238

On the next page, and part of the same household, there's also Susan Collins 12, Henry Collins 8(?), Alexander (?) Collins 6, and Emanuel Collins 3.


I would hazard a guess that "Ellan" is Edwin:

Edwin Collins
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Edwin Collins
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha Collins
Gender: Male
Where born: Speen, Berkshire, England
Civil Parish: Newbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Oxford
Town: Newbury
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: Newbury
Sub-registration District: Thatcham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1f
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 253
Piece: 1685
Folio: 362
Page Number: 52
Household Members:
Name Age
Edwin Collins 24
Martha Collins 22
Alice Jane Collins 1

On the image it has a tick in the last box which says that Edward was born in either Scotland, Ireland or Foreign Parts. Given his surname I would think possibly Ireland.

I can't make out his occupation. The image is very poor.

Kath. x

Badly mistranscribed on Ancestry:

Edward Collman
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Edward Collman
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1799
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Speen
Hundred: Faircross
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
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Registration District: Newbury
Sub-registration District: Speen
Neighbors:
Piece: 17
Book: 31
Folio: 10
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Collman 42
Hannah Collman 55
Clarpa Collman 15
Ellen Collman 14


The image is faint and hard to read.
His occupation looks like (maybe) something Wright ?? Maybe millwright ??
He's not born in Berkshire.

Actual places of birth aren't stated on the 1841 - only Y (yes) if born in the County concerned or N (no) if not.

The original is poor quality and I'm surprised the transcriber has made of it what they have! Although both males have occupations written in on the original, they too were not transcribed in 1841. I wouldn't want to try to interpret them, nor to say what "Ellan" actually is or isn't. The age is written in under the male column.

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census

London Road, Speen, Newbury, Berkshire, England

Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Edward Collins Male 42 1799 -
Hannah Collins Female 35 1806 Berkshire, England
Clarissa Collins Female 15 1826 Berkshire, England
Ellan Collins Male 14 1827 Berkshire, England
Clarissa Collins's Census Details
Details taken from the original census record.

Hi,

Please can someone post the full 1841 census details for the household containing Clarissa Collins born 1826 living in Speen Berkshire. Possible others in the household, Edward aged 42, Hannah aged 35 and Ellan 14. (I think Ellan should read Edwin). I am particularly interested in the occupation of Edward and his birth place if stated and the address.

TIA
Tiggit