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MartinHill

MartinHill Report 13 Dec 2020 11:10

Hi, I am really struggling to find a record of the death of George, any help would be appreciated

George Hill born approx 1826 Staffordshire
Parents were William and Sarah Hill
Married Ann Lloyd 24/05/1846 at Saint Marks, Shelton, Staffordshire
Census -
1841 - 29 HOPE STREET, Hanley.
1851 Hanover Street, Hanley
1861 - 98 Etruria road, shelton.
1871 - 7 nelson place, hanley -
1881 - 7 nelson place, hanley.

Many thanks, Martin

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 13 Dec 2020 11:20

Which sites have you looked at?

Have you looked at the Staffordshire BMD site?

http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/

or the GRO site

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Dec 2020 11:29

???

Deaths Mar 1900 (>99%)
Hill George 74 Stoke T. 6b 210


EDIT:
No, that's a different George Hill, who was born and lived in Burslem, and was buried there:

George Hill
in the England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
Name: George Hill
Gender: Male
Age: 74
Birth Date: 1826
Burial Date: 22 Mar 1900
Burial Place: St. Paul, Burslem, Staffordshire, England
FHL Film Number: 1278931
Reference ID: p 22

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 13 Dec 2020 11:31

1881 in full - for INFO

Name: George Hill
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Ann Hill
Gender: Male
Where born: Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Stoke Upon Trent
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 7 Nelson Place
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Engine Tenter
Registration District: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub registration district: Hanley
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2718
Folio: 91
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
George Hill 56
Ann Hill 55
William Hill 30
George Hill 6
Sarah Ann Oakley 17

MartinHill

MartinHill Report 13 Dec 2020 11:47

ErikaH, yes that's him in your last post.

MartinHill

MartinHill Report 13 Dec 2020 11:49

1871 census - 7 Nelson Place, Hanley - Ann passed away here aged 55 after having 8 children. George present at death.

Buried 15/05/1881, Hanley cemetery, block 105, plot 19527. Buried in a paupers grave with none family members. George not in this grave.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 13 Dec 2020 11:54

Posting what I find, with no suggestion as to relevance

Name: George Hill
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Registration Year: 1896
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 71
Registration District: Dudley
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6c
Page: 24

Name: George Hill
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Registration Year: 1910
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 86
Registration District: West Bromwich
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 419

Both 'out of area' compared with 1881 census

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 13 Dec 2020 11:55

Shirley

Deleted my post to avoid confusion :-) :-)

MartinHill

MartinHill Report 13 Dec 2020 12:04

Thanks Erica, not sure that's going to be him as the family dont move away from that area at that time.

I contacted the City of Stoke on Trent council who have been brilliant in locating unmarked graves for me but they are even struggling with this one.

May be he just walked into the sea :)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Dec 2020 12:20

As Ann died in 1881, perhaps Shirley was correct in posting that census (later deleted) with wife Preecilla/Priscilla.
Occupation, YOB, and POB all match:


Posting again :

George Hill
in the 1891 England Census
Name: George Hill
Gender: Male
Age: 64
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1827
Spouse: Priscilla Hill
Child: Caroline Hill
Birth Place: Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Stoke upon Trent
Ecclesiastical parish: Shelton
Residence Place: Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England
Registration District: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub registration district: Shelton
ED, Institution or Vessel: 4
Neighbors:
Piece: 2170
Folio: 83
Household Members:
Name Age
George Hill 64 - engine man
Priscilla Hill 43
Caroline Hill 7
Joseph Hill 75 - brother, Hanley


George Hill
in the 1901 England Census
Name: George Hill
Age: 76
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Preecella Hill
Birth Place: Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Hanley
Ecclesiastical parish: Hanley St Luke
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: Stoke upon Trent
Sub-registration District: Hanley
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors:
Piece: 2600
Folio: 81
Page Number: 29
Household Schedule Number: 187
Household Members:
Name Age
George Hill 76 - potter's engine tenter
Preecella Hill 52
Caroline Hill 17
Ann Harralwood 83 - sister, widow
Joseph Hill 85 - brother, widower


HILL, CAROLINE mmn DALE
GRO Reference: 1883 D Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 180


I don't see a Hill/Dale marriage, nor a Hill/Edge marriage.

Priscilla had been married before:

Marriages Dec 1872 (>99%)
DALE Priscilla Stoke T. 6b 424
EDGE Herbert Stoke T 6b 424


Priscilla Edge
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Priscilla Edge
[Priscilla Dale]
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Mother: Emma Dale
Gender: Female
Where born: Stoke, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Stoke Upon Trent
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: King St. 7
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: Domestic Servant
Registration District: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Piece: 2727
Folio: 65
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Emma Dale 65
Priscilla Edge 29
Thomas Dale 24
Emma Ann Dale 12

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Dec 2020 12:27

George's brother Joseph, as listed with him in 1901:

Joseph Hill
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Joseph Hill
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 15 Oct 1815
Event Place: Hanley, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Hanley, Stafford, England
Gender: Male
Father's Name: William Hill
Mother's Name: Sarah


And sister:

Anne Hill
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Anne Hill
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 7 Jul 1817
Event Place: Hanley, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Hanley, Stafford, England
Gender: Female
Father's Name: William Hill
Mother's Name: Sarah

MartinHill

MartinHill Report 13 Dec 2020 12:43

Argyl, thanks, you have just opened a can of worms lol. Iv never found any siblings for George but yes it all seems to fit. You know I have seen this Priscilla before but discarded her for some reason a long time ago.

Can you confirm the address you found for George and Priscilla please and im guessing we still have no date of death for George

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Dec 2020 12:49

Sister Ann's death:

Ann Hassall-wood
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Ann Hassall-wood
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Registration Year: 1903
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 84
Registration District: Stoke upon Trent
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 139



George and Priscillla's address in 1901: 42 Well Street.

In 1891: 13 John Street.

Marked As Answer Marked as Answered

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Dec 2020 12:58

No death so far for George, unless not in Stoke reg district:

Possibilities in Staffordshire, bearing in mind that age at death is only as accurate as the informant's belief:


Deaths Dec 1902 (>99%)
Hill George 77 Stourbridge 6c 83

Deaths Mar 1909 (>99%)
HILL George 82 Ashbourne 7b 471

Deaths Dec 1910 (>99%)
Hill George 86 W. Bromwich 6b 419


I haven't checkked any of these out yet.

MartinHill

MartinHill Report 13 Dec 2020 13:08

Argyl,
that's brilliant thanks for all your help. I am currently transferring my bloodline by hand into a journal, I hope im still going to be alive to finish it, this tree just keeps growing. :-D

malyon

malyon Report 13 Dec 2020 14:54

is this george a widower in 1981

George Hill
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name:
George Hill
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1881
Event Place:
Trentham, Staffordshire, England
Registration District:
Stone
Residence Note:
Ricardo St
Gender:
Male
Age:
55
Marital Status:
Widower
Marital Status (Original):
Widower
Occupation:
Gilders Forman (C&8)
Birth Year (Estimated):
1826
Birthplace:
Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Relationship to Head of Household:
Head
Page Number:
16
Registration Number:
RG11
Piece/Folio:
2696/11
Affiliate Record Type:
Household
Affiliate Image Identifier:
GBC/1881/4315483/00339&parentid=GBC/1881/0012059668
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
George Hill Head Male 55 Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Henry Hill Son Male 23 Hanley, Staffordshire, England
George Hill Son Male 20 Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Agusta Hill Daughter Female 18 Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Mary E Hill Daughter Female 16 Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Arthur Hill Son Male 11 Dresden, Staffordshire, England

malyon

malyon Report 13 Dec 2020 15:00

George Hill
England, Staffordshire, Church Records, 1538-1944Name:
George Hill
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
24 May 1846
Event Place:
Shelton, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Shelton, St Mark, Staffordshire, England
Parish:
St Mark
Residence Place:
Shelton
Age:
Full Age
Father's Name:
William Hill
Spouse's Name:
Ann Lloyd
Spouse's Residence Place:
Shelton
Spouse's Age:
Full Age
Spouse's Father's Name:
Thomas Lloyd
Affiliate Image Identifier:
D4904/1/17

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Dec 2020 15:59

Priscilla's death??

Deaths Sep 1901 (>99%)
Hill Priscilla 51 Stoke T. 6b 100


Possible marriage for Caroline:

Marriages Dec 1902 (>99%)
Greenway Sarah Maria Stoke T. 6b 457
Hill Caroline Stoke T. 6b 457 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Jones Edward Stoke T. 6b 457
Walker John Edward Stoke T. 6b 457

If she married Mr Walker, then maybe this is her in 1911. It doesn't say if this woman was married or not:

Caroline Walker
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Caroline Walker
Age in 1911: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hanley, Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Hanley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 41 Whitmore St, Hanley, Stoke On Trent
Occupation: Potters sponger
Registration District: Stoke upon Trent
Registration District Number: 361
Sub-registration District: Hanley
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Piece: 16534
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Henry Ford 29
Louisa Ford 25
Samuel Edward Ford 1
Caroline Walker 25 - potter's sponger

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Dec 2020 16:05

??

Caroline Walker
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Caroline Walker
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 9 Nov 1883
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 11 Uttoxeter Rd
Residence Place: Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England
Occupation: Unpaid House Duties
Line Number: 13
Schedule Number: 39
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: ONNS
Borough: Stoke-on-Trent
Registration district: 360/5
Inferred Spouse:
Edward Walker
Household Members Age
Edward Walker 56 - 3/11/1883, shopkeeper, sweets and tobacco
Caroline Walker 56 - unpaid house duties.



Deaths Jun 1970 (>99%)
WALKER Caroline 9No1883 Stoke/T 9b 1275


Caroline's marriage cert would tell you if George was still alive in 1902 or not.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Dec 2020 16:19

Caroline's children ??

Births Mar 1918 (>99%)
Walker Richard E Hill Stoke T. 6b 232

Births Jun 1921 (>99%)
Walker William H Hill Stoke T. 6b 565



EDIT:

No, not Richard.
He's with his parents Thomas and Emma (nee Hill) in 1939.


Can't be sure about William H. You'd need his birth cert to know definitely.