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Trying find Jasper Read

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Jul 2024 20:31

???

Deaths Jun 1959 (>99%)
READ Ethel M 55 Chatham 5b 290

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Jul 2024 20:16

Betty Read MAY have married DAYNES and died in 1982, in which case, she should be on 1939……….but isn’t :-( :-(

alviegal

alviegal Report 22 Jul 2024 20:13

OOOh look at this.

Name Ethel M Castle
Registration Date Apr 1922
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration district Elham
Inferred County Kent
Spouse David Gillespie
Volume Number 2a
Page number 2648



Births Mar 1924 (>99%)
Gillespie Kathleen E Castle Croydon 2a 524
Births Sep 1925 (>99%)
>>Gillespie Ellen M Castle Elham 2a 1928


Then back to this 1939 record.
1939 Register
Church Farm Headcorn, Ulcombe, Hollingbourne R.D., Kent, England

Household members (9 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
Gadper Read 25 Apr 1897 Male Rag Collector Married 84 1
Ethel M Read 15 Oct 1903 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 84 3
>>Ellen Mary Hatchett (Read) 25 Jul 1925 Female Field Worker Single 84 4

The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.



ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Jul 2024 20:07

Probably lived too long for deaths to picked up to allow records to be opened

Celia married a Derrick Taylor in 1954. She died in 2008 in Harrogate

Brilliant of you identifying possible births - wonder if ‘George’ was a Castle at birth?

alviegal

alviegal Report 22 Jul 2024 20:01

Thanks Argyll, don't know why none of them are showing up in 1939 though.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Jul 2024 19:48

Good finds, alviegal - the school records and the 1950s news articles!

I had looked at those Read/Castle children, but couldn't find anything to prove they were the right ones.

alviegal

alviegal Report 22 Jul 2024 19:44

Trees on ancestry have suggested as the parents

George jasper Read
1878–
Ethel may Castle
1902–

but have provided no evidence.

alviegal

alviegal Report 22 Jul 2024 18:47

Louisa J Read married one of these people
Frederick J Oughton in 1952


Lots of newspaper reports on her.

10 DEC 1954 EAST KENT GAZETTE Mrs Joan Louisa Oughton of Mill St, Milton, was remanded for 14 days....

27 MAY 1955 East Kent Gazette Mrs Joan Louisa Oughton (21) of Meads Ave, Milton, was accused of maliciously wounding William Ernest Mercer for whom she had been acting as housekeeper.

Mercer was estranged from his wife and lived with his son at 35 Mill St. Joan was estranged from her husband and family and until a few months previously, had lived next door with her parents. They moved and Mercer allowed her to live at his house.

alviegal

alviegal Report 22 Jul 2024 18:31

Yes I think I've found some of Jasper's children (maybe) :-D

Births Jun 1931 (>99%)
Read Grace Castle Milton 2a 1747
Births Sep 1932 (>99%)
Read Betty Castle Milton 2a 1734
Births Sep 1934 (>99%)
Read Louisa J Castle Milton 2a 1685
Births Mar 1936 (>99%)
>>READ Celia D Castle Milton 2a 1704
Births Dec 1940 (>99%)
Read Charles F Castle Milton 2a 2858


First name(s) Celia
Address 74 Dallas Brett Crescent
Last name Read
Archive Kent History & Library Centre
Birth year 1936
Archive reference C/E/S/148/11/1
Birth date 20 Jan 1936
Book type Admissions
Event year 1950
Register type Admission register
School name Holywell County Secondary School For Girls, Folkestone
Folio / page number 23
Town Folkestone
Record set National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914
County Kent
Category Education & work
Country England
Subcategory Schools & Education
Parent's name(s) >>Mrs Mercer<<

written underneath is Father's name Jasper Read.


First name(s) Celia Dorathy
Address 74 Dallas Brett Crescent
Last name Read
Archive Kent History & Library Centre
Birth year 1936
Archive reference C/E/S/148/11/1
Birth date 20 Jan 1936
Book type Admissions
Event year 1949
Register type Admission register
School name Holywell County Secondary School For Girls, Folkestone
Folio / page number 16
Town Folkestone
Record set National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914
County Kent
Category Education & work
Country England
Subcategory Schools & Education
Parent's name(s) Joseph Read (reads Jasper not Joseph)




ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Jul 2024 11:55

All library ER searches are only by address

Florence61

Florence61 Report 22 Jul 2024 11:50

ArgyllGran, yes isnt it typical the crucial years that would probably give us answers are not available, just typical!

Florence61

Florence61 Report 22 Jul 2024 11:46

Yes I was looking for that birth ErikaH but found it. I hadn't progressed really any further as was concentrating on Jasper.
He was at 37 Mill St Sittingbourne in 1941 as the Sheerness Times said he was at that address when he was fined for not sending his kids to school.

Well looking either side has it covered. I have emailed the form back now so shall have to wait & see. It said it can take up to 20 days as they are very busy!

They do the search on the address not on the name.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Jul 2024 11:34


Also connected

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1403037

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Jul 2024 11:29

As I posted some time ago, the address was unoccupied in 1939.
Post-war would probably be more logical

The registration district pre-1941 was Milton.

No birth entry for a George Read from 1931 onwards in the district

Of course, if the parents weren't married, the children should have been registered under the name(s) of the mother(s)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Jul 2024 10:58

It's unfortunate that the crucial years weren't covered by ERs.

The years you suggest sound like the most likely in the circumstances.

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 22 Jul 2024 10:49

Don’t forget that anyone on those ER has to be 21 and eligible to vote.

Florence61

Florence61 Report 22 Jul 2024 10:39

Morning all
So I have just spoken to the archive dept at the Maidstone library as that's where they are based for Kent.

So they are sending me an online form to complete with the years I want searched on the ER. 2 years is £21 4/5 is £42.

So what years will I ask to be searched? I was thinking maybe 1937, 38 and then 1946, 47 & 48? Those years cover either side of the war. They search on the address as opposed to the name.

Florence61

Florence61 Report 21 Jul 2024 23:05

Ty ErikaH and Gwyn, I shall make some enquiries and keep you posted

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 21 Jul 2024 21:53

Electoral rolls should be available for 1946 onward and will probably be found in a main library or archive local to the address in question.

Finding school records could possibly give you other family names to work with.
It should be possible to find the nearest primary school to Mill Street. Secondary schools might not be so straight forward.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 21 Jul 2024 21:46

Contact the main public library for the town and ask if they do lookups. There may be a charge.