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We’ll just to further this a little… these guys seem to have evaded all the records, but …in agreement with the wedding proposed by Maddie in wolstanton, ..(and thanks for the lead) it seemed to make sense. But did they have a son George and not register him??

Well… freecen … going through every George born tunstall I find this…

1861 Mount street, Tunstall, Wolstanton.
William THORNE head. 29 mill furnace man b. Oldbury, Shropshire
Kitty THORNE wife 27 Potter b Tunstall
George THORNE son. 1. - b.. Tunstall

Not found after this, but I feel sure it’s the right George Thorneycroft.

Just to confirm - a digital image is £3 now.

You can see a digital image on the GRO site for a small cost. The last one I accessed cost £2.50, but I understand that may have increased slightly

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

I don’t unfortunately.

Have you had sight of George junior's birth cert?

The address at which he was born MAY prove helpful, as one can search by address on FMP.

In 1881, they were not at the same address as in 1891

Just for prosperity
Kitty Taylor here earlier…
1851 at wolstanton
Eli Taylor 41 b. Burslem
Eliza Taylor. 41 b. Burslem
Kitty Taylor 17 b. Tunstall
Ann Taylor 11, tunstall
Richard Taylor 5 tunstall
Eli Taylor 2 tunstall
Eliza Taylor 0 tunstall

1841 Queen street north wolstanton
Eli 30, Eliza 30, Martha 13, CATHERINE 7, harriet 3, Ann 2.

Thank you so much. Could see the freebmd death entry that’s all. Amazing

Just confirming that the son was born before 1881 census was taken

THORNEYCROFT, GEORGE WILLIAM BLOOR
GRO Reference: 1881 M Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 145

AND

Spouse Alice Elizabeth Withington
Father George Thorneycroft
Mother Annie Bloor
Children Ethel
Birth 10 Jan 1881 Burslem, Staffordshire, England
Death 21 Jul 1953 Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England
Residence 1891 Burslem, Staffordshire, England

It’s all in the detail, thanks so much!

additional info

Annie
Spouse's first name(s) George --------------- a potter
Last name Bloor
Spouse's last name Thorneycroft
Name note -
Spouse's birth year 1860
Age 19
Spouse's birth date 1860
Marriage year 1880
Spouse's age 20
Marriage date 16 Feb 1880
Spouse's father's first name(s) William
Residence Burslem, Stafford, England
Spouse's father's last name Thorneycroft
Marriage place Burslem
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
County Staffordshire
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Country England
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Father's first name(s) William ----------------------------------------- a forgemsn
Collections from England, Great Britain
Father's last name Bloor


image on fmp

william is a forgeman on his marraige to eliizabeth ( crossed out on image and kitty inserted )

Sorry those question marks were not intended. Thank you for your help

Yes sight of the wedding cert is best move. ??

Perhaps he wasn’t named Thorneycroft at birth?

Was his father’s occupation recorded on the marriage cert?

Did the father witness the marriage?

Although this doesn’t solve the Ann problem,but could George have been on a night shift and therefore wouldn’t appear on a census.

Of course his parents may not have registered him in 1860, but my thinking is, even if George is away somewhere in 1881, he married in burslem, and his son registered there in 1881, should not his wife Ann/ie not be found on census? Perhaps they were missed ??

That’s the brick wall I’ve hit too also using Gro site :-(

There were only two George Thorneycroft births registered in the right district in 1860 +/-2.

This is the child with parents Edward and Harriet:

THORNEYCROFT, GEORGE mmn CARTLIDGE
GRO Reference: 1860 D Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 77



This one's parents were John and Margaret.

THORNEYCROFT, GEORGE mmn MALPASS
GRO Reference: 1862 S Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 76


The only other one in all Staffordshire is this:

THORNEYCROFT, GEORGE mmn WOODEN
GRO Reference: 1860 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 60

but his parents were Thomas and Mary Ann

Have you tried looking for a birth registration?

The GRO includes MMN pre-1911, unlike freebmd

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That didn’t work. Wife was Harriett

No have this census. The father is Edward I think