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Johnson family / Dead ends

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Amanda

Amanda Report 2 Jan 2025 17:49

Hi,

Could l please ask for some help on the following as l have hit some dead ends.

William Johnson 1798
Born in stoke-On-Trent
Dont know his death date
He married

Cecily Howell 1800 birth- don't know her date date

They had a daughter Sarah Johnson born in 1851 in Stoke-On-Trent

She married Edward Evans birth 1850 in Shropshire, England.

I am looking for William's Parents, siblings, death dates, etc. Any information on them would be helpful.

thank you so much

Amanda

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Jan 2025 17:55

Look for the deaths on freebmd - the mother’s, at least, will be after 1851

When do you last see them on censuses?

What research have you done so far?

You will need PR’s for info pre-1837

Try familysearch….another FREE site

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 2 Jan 2025 18:08

Sarah is listed as their grand-daughter:


Sarah Johnson
in the 1851 England Census
Name Sarah Johnson
Age 2 Mo
Estimated Birth Year abt 1851
Relation Granddaughter
Gender Female
Where born Stoke Old Road, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish Stoke upon Trent
Ecclesiastical parish Hartshill
County/Island Staffordshire
Country England
Registration district Stoke Upon Trent
Sub-registration district Stoke
ED, institution, or vessel 1g
Neighbors
Household schedule number 265
Piece 2006
Folio 223
Page number 63
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
William Johnson 53 Head
Cicely Johnson 51 Wife
Joseph Johnson 22 Son
Cicely Johnson 17 Daughter
Ann Johnson 15 Daughter
Elizabeth Johnson 12 Daughter
Walter Johnson 7 Son
Sarah Johnson 2 Mo Granddaughter

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 2 Jan 2025 18:12

Cecily is listed as Selina at marriage:

Selina Howell
in the Staffordshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1900
Name Selina Howell
Record Type Marriage
Residence Place Stoke Upon Trent
Marriage Date 6 Aug 1821
Marriage Place Stoke on Trent, St Peter ad Vincula, Staffordshire, England
Spouse William Johnson
Religion Anglican
Page number 143

There is no information about their parents.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 2 Jan 2025 18:17

Name spelled Cicely at death:

Cicely Johnson
in the England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
Name Cicely Johnson
Gender Female
Death Date abt 1875
Burial Date 1 Apr 1875
Burial Place Hartshill (Near Stoke-Upon-Trent), Stafford, England
FHL Film Number 1040842
Reference ID 34


JOHNSON, CICELY 74
GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 214

So she was born approx 1800.

greyghost

greyghost Report 2 Jan 2025 18:23

William appears to have died between 1861 and 1871 as a starting point

Cicely with daughter

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Normacott Road, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Emery Head - Male 27 1844 Potter Longton, Staffordshire, England
Ciseley Emery Wife - Female 38 1833 Potter Stoke, Staffordshire, England
Thomas Emery Son - Male 5 1866 Scholar Longton, Staffordshire, England
Mary Ann Emery Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Longton, Staffordshire, England
Sarah Johnson Step-daughter - Female 13 1858 Potter Stoke, Staffordshire, England
Ciceley Johnson Mother-in-law - Female 70 1801 No occupation Bromeswell, Staffordshire, England


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Old Stoke Lane, Penkhull, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Johnson Head Married Male 63 1798 Labourer Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire, England
Cicily Johnson Wife Married Female 59 1802 - Staffordshire, England
Cicily Johnson Daughter Unmarried Female 27 1834 Potter Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire, England
Walter Johnson Son Unmarried Male 17 1844 Brick & tile maker Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire, England
Elizabeth Johnson Granddaughter - Female 7 1854 - Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire, England
William H Johnson Grandson - Male 5 1856 - Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire, England
Sarah Johnson Granddaughter - Female 3 1858 - Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire, England

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 2 Jan 2025 18:24

Possible death of William ???

William Johnson
in the England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
Name William Johnson
Gender Male
Death Age 72
Birth Date 1796
Death Date abt 1868
Burial Date 25 Nov 1868
Burial Place Longton, Stafford, England
FHL Film Number 1471087


JOHNSON, WILLIAM 72
GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 137

You would have to buy a copy of the death cert to be sure one way or the other.

greyghost

greyghost Report 2 Jan 2025 18:27

William born c 1798 so one of these deaths, but the odd year or so out ? Not unusual.

Name: Age at Death (in years):

JOHNSON, WILLIAM 66
GRO Reference: 1863 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 147

JOHNSON, WILLIAM 67
GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 79

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Jan 2025 18:36

Of course Sarah wouldn’t have been their daughter………..I didn’t ’do the maths’ earlier. Not concentrating :-( :-(

greyghost

greyghost Report 2 Jan 2025 19:05

Sarah is shown as 2 months old on the 1851 census which was taken 31 March.

So, possibly Sarah Johnson's birth registration - no Mother's maiden name listed so probably the child of a daughter of William and Cicely.

the 1871 census shows her as step-daughter to William Emery, so ? Cicely (Junior's) child

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
JOHNSON, SARAH -
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 17 Page 209

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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1865 (>99%)

Emery William Stoke T 6b 253
Johnson Cicely Stoke T 6b 253

alviegal

alviegal Report 2 Jan 2025 19:10

Just adding 1841 to round it off. William is a potter.


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Stoke Old Lane, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

Household members (10 people)
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
William Johnson Male 40 1801 Staffordshire, England
Cecelia Johnson Female 40 1801 Staffordshire, England
John Johnson Male 20 1821 Staffordshire, England
William Johnson Male 19 1822 Staffordshire, England
Mary Johnson Female 18 1823 Staffordshire, England
Joseph Johnson Male 14 1827 Staffordshire, England
Cecelia Johnson Female 10 1831 Staffordshire, England
Ann Johnson Female 8 1833 Staffordshire, England
Elizabeth Johnson Female 6 1835 Staffordshire, England
Thomas Johnson Male 4 1837 Staffordshire, England


This is the previous household to them but Johnson is a very common name so possibly not connected to them. Joseph is a potter.


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Stoke Old Lane, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

Household members (6 people)
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Joseph Johnson Male 45 1796 Staffordshire, England
Sarah Johnson Female 45 1796 Staffordshire, England
Ben Johnson Male 15 1826 Staffordshire, England
Martha Johnson Female 10 1831 Staffordshire, England
Maria Johnson Female 9 1832 Staffordshire, England
Richard Ling Male 85 1756 Staffordshire, England


and 1851 also near to William.


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Old Stoke Lane, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

Household members (3 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Johnson - - Male 58 1793 Day labourer Staffordshire, England (he is widowed)
Martha Johnson Widow (should be unmarried)
- Female 25 1826 Potters stiltmaker Staffordshire, England
Sarah A Johnson - - Female 6 1845 Scholar Fenton, Staffordshire, England